Both of these pennants are VERY rare and will cost a pretty penny. Not something someone is likely to trade, but you never know.

1930’s is my opinion and a very difficult pennant.

1930’s is my opinion and a very difficult pennant.

I would have thought 30’s also, but you can’t discount the opinions of Mark and Greg.

I don’t think I’ve ever traded a pennant. I rarely trade anything because if I bought something in the first place, it was because I wanted it. Never say never, but I’d have to be offered something pretty good to part with a Giants pennant. I think trading might be more prevalent between general collectors rather than between team specific guys.

Agree with both Rob and Jason. Here are both pennants, yes they are hard to find. Killebrew has a more common ASCO pic pennant but this one rarely surfaces.

Being a “general” collector I do have interest in trading, as I still favor some teams over others and generally I go for aesthetic appeal. I prefer trading to selling (the latter of which I rarely do.) Personally I’m not the biggest fan of these later WGN pennants but I am not oblivious to its rarity. (And yes I’ve been in touch with Erik.)

Weird green SFG pennant closed today on eBay. Never seen it before. Anyone get?

Regarding the Killebrew pennant: are there any difference on the back compared to the version with the color photo?

I won the green SF Giants pennant. I'll post pics when it arrives. I've picked up a number of nice Giants pennants this month after going a long time with nothing all that special Giants related. Here is one that just arrived today. Great colors.

That's by far the nicest one of those I've ever seen. Love the deep purple cloth, and impossible to find this one with uncracked graphics. The cool orange tassels are just icing on the cake. Great pickup!

The white version of this pennant is exceptionally more difficult than the other colors (blue, black, red, green, and white) due to staining etc.

My color Killebrew is buried in a tub, but here’s a pic of the black and white version we are discussing. I think it’s the same?

Yep it's the same. Thanks for the photo.

The only SF Giants pennant depicting Seals Stadium. It's rare in any form, but the version with only black graphics is more common (the second pic). I had only seen a worthpoint picture of the one with white paint. The discoloration seems to be how the felt aged, as the discoloration did not affect the spine.

Trying to post pics (?)
 

Trying to post pics of some of my pennant collection….not having success….says file not found or unable to load…..these are from photos taken on an IPad!,,?..

Any help appreciated

Dockus

If I take a photo with my iPhone, the file is a PNG and that usually fails to upload. I then take a screenshot of the sane photo on my phone, after which it becomes a JPEG. And that always works. I’m guessing there’s a more efficient way but try this … take a picture with your phone and then a screenshot of the picture.

Did you get that Giants pennant Marc? Nice find.

I just had these arrive in the mail today. I believe the White Sox pennant is pretty rare but I'd welcome any additional info. The tip is blunted but otherwise it's in pretty good condition.

The Indians pennant looks like someone used a marker or crayon to color some of the graphics. But I'm going to see if I can gently clean it.

Good pickups here. I can’t say I’ve ever seen that White Sox before.

Giants
 

Just arrived after a day scare of being delivered to a different house.

That’s so weird and cool. A 3/4 size screen on a full-size pennant.

There’s a late 60s Cubs pennant with a cartoon cubbie head that is made like that …

Great pennant, Marc! Crazy how something never seen (to my knowledge) can surface. I wonder if Domer has any insight into that felt which is kind of “bumpy”?

Yeah, Rob, I know there are a number of Giants pennants that I have never seen for sale, but I at least have pictures of them (many from you). Something completely new was unexpected. I guess the last time that happened was with the last run Keezer pennant.

The seller told me that he pulled the pennant off of a garage wall at an estate sale in Palo Alto. It would not surprise me if it was made in and never left the Bay Area. There are tons of low- to mid-level quality San Francisco tourist pennants out there in the world and maybe some were made in SF? So there were local makers?

In some ways, having the "scene" to the left reminds me of the circa 1950 Trench champions pennants (see NY pennant below), although the art on the SF is not as good.

Is this the Cubs pennant?

Yep that’s the exact one to which I was referring …

I don't know anything about bumpy felt.... But, I tend to agree that the style of this one resembles those pennants from the "insert ballpark name" series you point out, Marc.

Of note, here's a Cin'ti Reds one that just sold that is the proper 3/4 size at 8.5 x 26", which conveniently matches the typical dimensions of pennants from the above series--which I believe were all made by Trench.

I've got that one.... long and skinny for a 3/4 pennant. Seldom-seen variation.

That is crazy interesting to a pennant geek (me). Same graphics as Marc’s but made for a team 2000 miles away. I think Greg is correct in that it’s a 3/4 graphic on a full sized pennant.

I agree. It does look like a 3/4 design that, for whatever reason, was printed on a bigger size piece of felt.

Which is something we discussed a few months ago concerning the "insert ballpark name" series; at least ... when it came to Giants pennants.

These two likely came from '51 or '54. The top is is 3/4. The bottom is full size. Identical graphics down to the size of the printed space. Different size felt.

I suspect the vendor just wanted to offer multiple sizes to their customers; and the maker just wasn't willing to enlarge their screen for such a limited pennant run??

That's really interesting to see the same scene/design on a pennant for a different team. Probably rules out a local maker unless the local maker was making pennants (copying Trench) for the Giants and visiting teams.

Mark or anyone else- you mention that the Reds pennant is a seldom seen variation. Is there a more common Reds that fits with the "insert ballpark" style?

I just can’t come to accept that the same company (Trench) produced these two pennants in the same year … still think that the “baseball scene” pennants are from a yet to be identified company …

This Browns appears to be from the same company as the Phillies above with the baseball scene, based on the block letter font and also the construction, including tassels that don’t match in color to the spine. (There are known Trenches that share that characteristic but they seem to all be early 1960s.)

[QUOTE=bocca001;2439542]That's really interesting to see the same scene/design on a pennant for a different team. Probably rules out a local maker unless the local maker was making pennants (copying Trench) for the Giants and visiting teams.

Mark or anyone else- you mention that the Reds pennant is a seldom seen variation. Is there a more common Reds that fits with the "insert ballpark" style?[/QUOTE]

My "seldom-seen" comment above actually pertained to the rare White Sox 3/4 pennant.

But that Reds 3/4 is also quite scarce. There's one that's a bit more common with a similar game scene depicted. But that one says "Crosley Field" within the graphics... matching the "Polo Grounds" and "Shibe Park" examples posted above.

The somewhat generic graphics on the Reds pennant shown above are often found on Phillies Pennants in particular.

[QUOTE=perezfan;2439648]Thanks Mark. I want to say that White Sox pennant is from the 1940s. Does that sound right?

[QUOTE=UKCardGuy;2439670]Yes... but probably towards the end of the '40s or perhaps even early '50s.

Great pennant!

My son blew out his first baseman's glove this past weekend in a tournament. The local glove doctor is also a barber. I went to his barber shop this AM to pick up the repaired glove and the walls were covered in pennants. He said that clients bring them in and they add them to the wall. Most of it was newer stuff, but then there was this Luv Ya Blue Oliers pennant that neither Fballguy nor I had ever seen before. And, yes, I did try to buy it.... to no avail.

Surprising. I figure it would be worth more to you than him.

Trivia: do you know the former pitcher known as The Barber?

Steve Barber? 😂

Sal Maglie, of course … Seattle Pilots PC

Winner, winner. Send me a good Giants pennant to claim your prize. :p

LOL. I will send you a pic of my favorite Giants pennant. I think I’ve had this for about 25 years now.

Definitely a Holy Grail for Giants collectors and pennant collectors in general. I have no realistic hope of ever getting one. BTW, Greg, how long have you had the sickness? I started collecting 30 years ago.

For me, almost as long. Around 1998 or so, when I finished school and discovered eBay. Actually, it started when I bought about eight Mitchell and Ness repros for decoration purposes at their Super Bowl Weekend 1/2 off sale at their old retail store in Philadelphia.

Mark S. just sent me some pics I sent him from our very early correspondence … circa 2000 … look at all that wasted wall space!!!

You have a hell of a collection for 25 years. I’ve been a Giants fan my whole life but didn’t have a single piece of “memorabilia” until my sister gave me an autographed Will Clark plaque from Field of Dreams (remember those stores?) for Christmas in 1993. I thought “that’s cool.” I then discovered SCD and, like you, ebay in 1998. Funny, I no longer have any use for autographs unless something was signed in my presence. I’ve actually removed autographs from a few things. :p

Thank you! I never used SCD. What I did do in the “early days” was put little requests on supermarket bulletin boards, with the little tabs that tear off with my number … “I Buy Sports Pennants”. This got me a few good hauls including one batch of about a dozen 1950-60s Trench for like $15 apiece. That got me hooked. But I also sold quite a few that I definitely regret …

Will Clark was a lot of fun to watch, what a beautiful swing. I tried to imitate his very unique follow through …

Man I’ve seen some quick pennant flips but this appears to set a world record. First one was listed an hour after the second one ended.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38708882001...mis&media=COPY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25625377030...mis&media=COPY

The question is, if it is immediately purchased again by someone, does the re-lister just give his address to the original seller???

(In fairness it’s not EXACTLY the same, the picture was rotated 90 degrees.)

Kennedy pennant
 

Never seen this version of the ACSO Twins / Packers player style pennants. Most of these things I have seen over the years as I live in MN

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18650151981...A&LH_Auction=1

Bocca is snagging all the good Giants pennants, so I'm left with the scraps. :p

Picked this up for the minimum. These Giant on the Bridge came with what I call the forward or backward F in Francisco. GIANTS is always bigger wth the backwards F. Same with the left handed batter pennants, although I only have one of them with the backwards F. I have about an equal mix with the Giant on the Bridge. Are there slight variations like this for other teams?

That’s cool ... I never noticed the different ‘F’s.

As for teams with other minor variations, the Trench Phillies pennants with the baseballs orbiting the cap … there might be half a dozen or more variations, all having to do with the coloring of the cap.

The n and o are a tad different too.

Also the A in GIANTS is different, one has a flat top.

Milestone...After 6 years of on again off again effort, Feltfootball (https://feltfootball.com) has become the largest single sport pennant gallery/encyclopedia in existence (full transparency, there aren't too many out there).

As of this week, it officially has more football pennants than Mike Egner's Vintage Pennant Price Guide II has baseball pennants (1614 to 1613). Currently at 1616 and counting. Now I know, if he's so inclined, he could quickly dwarf me with a Vintage Pennant Price Guide III as the baseball possibilities are endless, but I'll enjoy it while I can. I was hoping for a more glamorous record breaking pennant but here is the topper...

PS...I wouldn't completely rule out a FeltBaseball, I just need my company to stop messing me around and lay me off so I can devote the time and effort to these sites to make them what they really should be.

So it is. I’m gonna do some quick research to see if I can figure which screen came first.

Congrats, Rob! The greatest achievement of my life is starting the most viewd and posted thread on Net54. :p

I couldn’t have done it without all of you. :D

Well done, Rob. Congratulations. I use and refer my readers to your site all the time. It's been a great resource for us all.

FeltBaseball.com definitely needs to happen, so tell your employer to expedite your severance package so you can get that up and running!

Thanks Rob...and well done by you. ;)

Thanks Kyle...Appreciate that. I do the same with yours!

I've got a year off with pay when they finally decide to pull the trigger. Oh the things I'll do when it happens.

Severance package or not, we (I) need a pennantfever installment on ABCO.

ABCO, right?

Just when you think you have things figured out...

https://www.insidetheparkcollectible...-LOT30719.aspx

Holy mackerel … I will say, the colors are extraordinarily vivid on this. But that’s a crazy price ..

Yeah, gorgeous pennant but could had been had cheaper. This is just the kind of Trench where I wonder if there were slight font variations like on some of the Giants.

I’m glad Lou made some coin on this. He’s a good guy with good auctions….even if they are often a little Dodgers heavy. :rolleyes:

'72 Cin'ti Reds NL champs pennant by WGN
 

This just sold. Can't recall seeing a WGN professional baseball pennant this recent; or, with the words, "Western Div." on it.

Note that it is not licensed by MLB, as you might expect a post-1969 baseball pennant to be.

Looks to be the dreaded stiff “felt”?

I'm fascinated by the 1970s baseball and football pennants that should have an MLB or NFL logo, but don't. Like this Astros pennant I just got from Greg (Thanks, Greg). They often share a number of characteristics, including interesting colorful designs, really stiff felt, and especially brittle tassels. I think that Mark just got a Reds Johnny Bench pennant that probably shares these characteristics and there is a Willie Mays Mets pennants that has them too (among many others). In the football realm, the single bar pennants with stars seem to fit. As do many single bar Canteen corp pennants (they rarely or maybe never have an NFL logo?).

It would be interesting to know if these were all coming from the same maker that for some reason did not have to include the logos, or somebody (or somebodies) just making a lot of non-licensed pennants because there was no enforcement. And, when I say a lot, I mean a lot of different pennants. Many of these pennants are quite rare individually.

There are also several Redlegs Big Red Machine pennants out there....which is odd.

That Astros is the nicest of that series I've seen.

Agree. Beautiful Astros pennant, Marc...

Really unique for one of that era. My Bench/Reds pennant arrived a few days back, but I would not call the felt super stiff. It's definitely modern material, but has some pliability and "give" to it.

I'm sure you've all seen this type of "felt'. I would say it's the same material as this one, which is much more common...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40503089913...Bk9SR7CqkeKIZA


As opposed to this one, which more closely resembles the blade of a guillotine...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/29649655380...Bk9SR7CqkeKIZA

Yeah, these ones I'm talking about are not the razor sharp felt when it comes to the pennant. Sharp, but not that sharp. But the tassel material is often very brittle. Easily broken.

The Astros pennant came in a lot of four that the seller said was found together. It also gives some “provenance” to the weird Reds pennant and the sorriest depiction of Mr. Red. The Reds seems to resemble a Bengals Riverfront pennant if I’m not mistaken …

Here are some of the pennants I am talking about. Hats/helmets, stars, and autos. Perhaps I am seeing connections that are not really there. Correlation instead of causation. I feel like all of these should have an MLB/NFL logo, but don't. Most are, without doubt, from the 1970s. All of the others probably are as well.

Either these pennants were "bootlegs" or the newly enacted NFL Trademark infringement rules were not as strictly enforced back then.

I would bet it's a combination of the two.

50 years later, they're still not enforced. eBay and twitter are rife with sellers violating trademark. Nobody cares.

This seller didn’t want to answer my “stiff or soft?” question. Pretty sure it’s “guillotine sharp” as Mark would say.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11622087958...mis&media=COPY

Here’s another fake I’m watching:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16683480916...mis&media=COPY

You could shave with that one.

Nice job "vintagizing" it.

Yes... what a seller. He lists is as 1953 instead of 1954, he soils it, ages it, blunts the tip, and removes the Mitchell & Ness Tag. You can even see the break in the stitching on the reverse, from where the tag was removed. And after all this, he calls it original and authentic.

Sad that there are 15 bids... it's fakeness is so painfully obvious. As if an authentic 1954 Giants pennant would have a vague image of Mays making his famous over the shoulder catch. :eek:

I remember getting into a pissing match with SCP 8-10 years ago. They had the 1955 Dodgers Mitchell & Ness counterpart to this one... equally obvious in its fakeness. It had gotten bid up over $500 when I told them to take it down. They put up a fight and insisted that the consignor's father bought it at the '55 World Series at Ebbets Field. I had to show them 3 identical examples that were currently on the market (for under $40) before they finally removed it.

Also, it should be noted that 5,827 "views" ago, this thread quietly passed the 2 Million mark. :eek:

#1 on Net54 by a country mile. Well done, Rob!

Put it in my obit! :p

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the “vintagizing” process. :cool:

An established 49ers collector made some pennants available to me recently. It allowed me to cross off about 12 pennants from my wantlist. Many were difficult to find variants and bootlegs from the 1970s and 1980s. Here are just a few.