Nice one! I am such a fan of all the old New York teams so it’s great to see something like that.

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

Is that yours, Marc? It looks like one of your photo presentations. Gotta be pretty, pretty rare.

Yeah, I went to grad school in Alabama and watched a decent number of baseball games in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham (Hoover). I was there after the Michael Jordan days, which I heard were pretty crazy. Never saw a game at Rickwood. And the price was right on the pennant. I've never seen it or any other vintage Barons pennant before.

That’s really cool Marc. Cool color combination and cloth, too!

FWIW, I just watched a 30 for 30, Jordan Rides the Bus. I never liked MJ (admittedly, for what he did to my Jazz) but I liked him more after watching that little documentary. Terry Francona was his manager :eek: and Tony said MJ could have made the Majors with another full year in the minors, under his belt.

I was fortunate to get this. Was very much on the fence but I thought it was especially cool given the green felt and the Jackie pennant I already have in green. Now gotta find a Doby and the incredibly rare Luke Easter.

(BTW, Heritage ships pennants as if they are shipping a Picasso … it took about 15 minutes just to open! Tip of the cap to them.)

That Paige pennant is great! Nice pickup.

Congrats Greg. Great pickup. It looks great next to Jackie. The 2 Monarchs teammates back together again.

Thanks, guys. I’d love to know if WGN made any others besides these two and Doby and Easter.

Rob and I just got back from the Houston Tristar show and I was able to buy this very rare Houston Colts pennant from Rick H. I usually avoid pennants with tassel damage, but this one is so rare that I got it anyway. I've never seen it for sale and had only seen a picture of it one other time.

I've posted a pic of the the more common version below the new pickup (although all Colts pennants seem rare)

Amazing, Marc. Absolutely love it. So incredibly rare.

Great Colts pennant, Marc! Tassels or not.

Can I get an option on this guys

That's a great looking vintage pennant. I know we have some contributors who can say more about rarity (it's rare, I just don't know how rare) and possible value. Might help to see the tip.

Only photo I took but it's in tact

Quite rare and desirable... especially if the tip is still in tact.

I thought it looked good, too, but was waiting for perezfan to weigh in...he's much more an expert on the truly vintage stuff than I.

Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

Nice Gary! That's got to be one of the rarer Picture Pennants of the '60s - 70s. Nice clean example.... congrats!

I did not as these are not in my wheelhouse but I know who has it and I'm going to try getting it at the end of the month

There is a crazy $ on a cleansweep result for one but my guess is it's an anomaly

Nice! How is the photo affixed? It’s a much cleaner look than staples. :p

Thanks guys. The photo is fixed cleanly (I'm guessing with an adhesive). I far prefer that to staples.

OK. So there’s a window cut in the felt. 👌

Absolutely LOVE this. Don’t know of any ASCO team picture pennants besides this one and a bunch of Twins.

Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

Cool pennant! The color scheme would suggest Missouri.

Well, they definitely offered pennants for sale via their catalogue. And, sometime after 1910 or so, Spalding distributed Reproduction Co.-made collegiate and MLB pennants.

For example, these two were definitely made by Repco; and yet they bore this more contemporary looking "Spalding" label on the reverse....

Why the updated label? It was required (by Repco, no doubt) that the legalese, "Patent Allowed, Patent Applied For" appear on the product to protect the patented method (a.k.a., the "Udall Process") used by Repco to print such detailed graphics on felt.

Spalding also distributed other pennant makers' products throughout the 1910s. Here's a 1916 excerpt from one of their catalogues showing that year's offerings....

Note that the model "S" retailed for $1.50. Adjusted for inflation, that's over $40 in 2024 money. So, not cheap!

I've seen other pennants with more traditional Spalding labeling, like yours Greg, and they featured that same woven spine look. I do agree: yours likely pre-dates 1910.

Good stuff Kyle! Thank you.

Thanks Kyle. I hadn’t realized Spalding distributed Repro Co. pennants.

Here is a banner of mine, c.1920, measuring about 60’’.

Last night was Hunt's Annual Super Bowl Eve football auction. Not too much in there that excited me, but it's always interesting to see what things sell for. Some Baltimore Colts pennants went for ridiculous amounts...Such as this one, which could've been had for $95 on eBay (in better condition too, just to pour a little more salt in).

People always seem to overpay to the auction houses.

Equally if not more absurd...

https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=307&lot_qual=


And I "get" this one because of the rarity and that game's immense importance. But it still sold for a price that must've made the consignor giddy with joy...

https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=308&lot_qual=

A couple of recent arrivals.

The 1936 Giants mini-pennant is about 9" long without the tassels. It came together with the pin. Anyone have any insights about it?

The pin is almost certainly 1951 or 1954. For some reason, they are very common….although not with the giant ball! :p

Thanks Rob, but I'm pretty sure the pin is from 1936. The difference is noted by the style of the 'S' in GIANTS.

Paul Muchinsky details this in his book

I'm keen to hear thoughts on the mini pennant. I'm guessing there's no way to know the manufacturer.

<a href="https://ibb.co/Qm7hxDd"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/tCwn1LX/Clevelandpennant.jpg" alt="Clevelandpennant" border="0"></a>


I posted the question over at VFC but I was advised to ask over here so here goes...

I purchased this pennant a few months ago. I do not know if its baseball, football, college, high school. It may not even be a sports pennant. I purchased it because I liked it.

Can anyone enlighten me what year (i know its pretty early) and what the approximate value is?

The pennant is oversized, approx 33". The felt is soft and thick and the letters seem sewn in because they are raised. It is definitely high quality.

Any help would be appreciated.

I had forgotten about that distinction. I have the same as yours, also with the big tin ball. Yours is 1.25", correct? I also have the 1951/54 pin in both 1.25" and 1.75."

As far as the pennant manufacturer, I can't help you. :(

Yep, mine is 1.25". Any ideas how to display / store the pin with the ball charm? That ball charm is cool but at 1.5" it doesn't fit into the normal display cases for pins.

ca. 1910 Phila. A's pennant?
 

Anybody here win this bad boy last month? Beautiful pennant, never seen it before. Seller described it as being from 1929-30, but I wouldn't rule out 1910, 1911 or 1913.

8.75" x 24". No maker's mark.

Saw it, very nice and a good get for someone for that price.

55 Trench Brooklyn
 

I'm sure many of you have seen the 55 Brooklyn World Champions Trench knockoff. Consulting with some members on here, they look like they have some value. Any thoughts?

I’ve always felt that these were made some years ago by someone who passed them off as authentic. Don’t know for sure. They have been re-circulated by reputable auction houses, too. The 1955s BKLN and NYY scrolls were both cloth, this is felt or felt-like with subtle differences in the graphics, and for some reason the spine is sewn shut.

Figured I’d share these color variants of an Eagles pennant The green version of this pennant is pretty common, the red is very scarce and I believe I’ve seen only one other aside from the one I own. Then a couple of months ago I added this blue variant - it’s the only one I’ve seen.

Nice...I just audited my Eagles pennants yesterday. I only have this one in green and have only ever seen it in green.

Great Eagles pennants.

I didn't win this but I hadn't seen this version of the 1951 ASG Pennant before. Is it a new find or just pretty rare?

Very rare and one of at least FIVE All Star Game pennants from 1951, all five clearly from the same company (WGN). I own two of them pictured here, the one you show is the same design as the 1950 WGN from Comiskey.

The bottom two are other 1951s I don’t own but found pics online.

Side note: three of the five 1951s have ‘Reynolds’ and ‘Cain’ on the AL scroll. I guess Cain is supposed to be Ferris Fain. Bob Cain was not on the AL roster. Not sure who Reynolds is, if it’s Allie he wasn’t on the roster either.

I've had all five, but have since sold 3 of them. The 4th and 5th ones above are especially scarce.

Thanks Greg/Mark.

For future reference if I see one of these again, what price range do you put these in (assuming the pennant is clean with the tip intact and no holes)?

I would speculate $450-600.

Agree.... perhaps in the higher end of that range, given the fact it might be your only crack at it.

Anyone in here win this the other day?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176248990196

Interesting color combo - body, spine and tassels.

On mine, the body and tassels match.

Found a few nice ones today at a local card show

Very nice indeed!

Need some help from the group on value. I have the chance to buy this pennant and want to make sure I'm not overpaying due to my excitement. As someone who collects Tiger pennants I know how rare this pennant is but just need a reality check before I google " how to sell a vital organ", lol.

This is a very scarce pennant. I would say $1500.

“Value” really is a tough call for pennants that don’t often surface. Both supply and demand is low. There really isn’t an established record of sales in order get an accurate estimate. Best you can do is make an educated guess based on similar pennants and taking into account the teams and how rabid their collectors are.

If this was in a pure eBay auction? I’d say $1200-1500. However it is worth noting that a couple years ago this sold for about $4400 in a Clean Sweep auction. But again, if that was due to two bidders bashing each other over the head, then a second pennant that surfaces would likely sell for a lot less.

I hope you get it, Stephen (and keep your vital organs)!

Not to argue semantics, but the only way you can overpay for something is if you can find a similar one cheaper. In this case, that would be virtually impossible. Even if it costs you an arm and a leg, you can't go wrong with this one.

I agree with Hank. That’s the one thing that people tend to forget (and I’m guilty too) about collectibles - There is no absolute when it comes to value. Value is a magical number decided upon between a seller and a buyer. Every seller and every buyer may come up with different numbers from sale to sale to sale, depending on any number of factors.

As a seller I have to decide what is my “let it go” price and a buyer has to decide what is their “buy price”. If we do not agree on a number hopefully we can find somewhere in between.

Here’s an example - Would I sell my car for a $1.00? No. Now, would I sell my car for $1 million? Yes. Now I have a value range. Would I sell for $500,000? For $100,000? Would I sell for $20,000?

People throw around comps and eBay sold prices and such, but these are numbers decided upon by other people for their items based on their comfort level in buying and selling. That’s not me.

To me it’s no different than when people ask me why would I send a $5 card in for grading? Who says it’s a $5 card? What does it matter to anyone else what my card is worth or what I choose to do with it?

I would agree on $1500 is fair, but if I had this for sale I think I would price it higher. It is a very tough pennant, it’s dated, and it’s very visually appealing. I don’t think 2-2500 is out of line. You also have to remember that the price on tough items 5 years ago has doubled in my opinion. The tough items that came to market over the last 20 years are completely gone now. If you really want it, and you can pick it up in this range, I say go for it.

I suspect it may even be better than the picture shows. It kind of looks like it’s in a soft sleeve inside of a rigid holder. Maybe not, but that would be an added bonus.

To follow up on a recent discussion about picture pennants, ASCO seemed to make a 1969 version with and without the pic insert. I have seen the Mets and Orioles with and without, the Twins only without, and have never seen a Braves and don’t think it exists. (Mark?)

The team pic is glued to the back, with a window cut out for it, just like the Trenches.

Those are beauties Greg.

The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.

So, the ‘70 Twins have a square tip? Actually no tip? :eek: I’d love to see a picture.

Even though those pennants are kind of basic and not all that old, I like ‘em. They have a unique look (and I love the groovy ‘69 font).

That’s interesting, thanks for info. Rob, here’s a forked tip example to which Jason refers:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30467328830...mis&media=COPY

Ingenious....I guess. :cool:

Agreed.

But why would you send a $5 card in for grading?

Insert smiley face here.

Doug

:)

I know you’re joking, but I’ll answer that. I’ll send it in because other people’s thoughts on value mean nothing to me. I don’t collect for money, I collect for enjoyment. If paying $15 to slab that perceived $5 card brings me joy, so be it.

30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later.

Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).

Very cool that someone snagged that for you. I wish I had eyes throughout the country! :p

Terrific graphics on all those!

Marc: You're correct. I believe this was part of an offering I named the "kicked football series" offered by Epstein Novelty Co. during the 1940s and 1950s. For more, see https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...ein-novelty-co

Kyle, similar to your polychromatic ND pennant shown, this Cornell pennant was sold on eBay recently (although the detail is not as nice as the ND pennant). Not mine, but I know who won it. Likewise it is extremely rare, I’ve never seen another.

BF3 Type 1 baseball pennants framed lot of 9
 

Recent purchase of a custom framed lot of 9 baseball Type 1 pennants. Wes Ferrell, Larry French, Al Lopez, Paul Waner,Bill Dickey,Joe Cronin,Rip Collins,JImmy Dykes, Joe Stripp. Some damage to a couple of ends and pin holes. Overall nice lot.