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08-11-2008, 09:29 PM

Posted By: JoeLeon, I am a former lawyer, so I thought I would give you my thoughts. It sounds like if you don't have the right guy, the Gilliam family now would have a lot more ammo to sue you for posting their personal information with no due process than you would have for suing Billy. Saying vulgar things about people is cruel, but as long as it didn't cause you substantial monetary harm that you can prove, or threaten you, unfortunately that speech is not illegal. Email me if you want to discuss this further, Joe.

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08-11-2008, 10:29 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldI think the opinion above misses the mark. What was done is actionable, criminally and civilly.

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08-11-2008, 11:21 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJoe, ever heard of intentional infliction of emotional distress?

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08-11-2008, 11:25 PM

Posted By: McCormickHAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PERSONAL PRIVACY!? you people dont give up do you?

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08-11-2008, 11:27 PM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldJeff, come on - you and I both know the elements of IIED are not met...

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08-11-2008, 11:30 PM

Posted By: leonYou lawyers and judges have it all wrong....I am sure there was no crime committed here....no way <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/nyregion/12cnd-dj.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin" target="_new">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/nyregion/12cnd-dj.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin</a>

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08-11-2008, 11:36 PM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldLeon - actually you are correct. I only saw the posts from the other day and since I don't know what was said this morning (as it was deleted before I saw it), I really should not say anything at all. That being said, I was only commenting on IIED of requires extreme and outrageous conduct causing the plaintiff severe emotional distress. Pretty high bar...

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08-11-2008, 11:36 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWell, Jon, do you have a daughter? I'm assuming you're suggesting that there is no proof of emotional distress suffered by Leon. More to the point, I suspect that the guy who posted this crap is not sitting back and laughing as some would suggest; I'm guessing he has probably soiled his diaper instead.

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08-11-2008, 11:38 PM

Posted By: McCormickguys its over like leon said.. lets get back to wagner cards. And drop this pathetic nonsense.

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08-11-2008, 11:40 PM

Posted By: McCormickbesides that article reads that the guy said that he wants to rape the guys daughter and will pay someone 500 bucks to find out what school she went to. This billy guy just threw out some random nonsense im sure not even knowing you had a girl to try and get under your skin.

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08-11-2008, 11:41 PM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldJeff - agreed (and no, no daughter).

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08-11-2008, 11:50 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaThis McCormick fellow sure knows a lot about Billy's motivations...it's almost as if he wants this put behind us more than old Billy boy does.

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08-11-2008, 11:52 PM

Posted By: McCormickWhere do you get this nonsense from dan? you sure know how to antagonize someone. Courts in most jurisdictions take a decidedly unfavorable stance towards IIED claims. It is felt that they are generally frivolous claims for non-quantifiable harm, and often are appended to other more substantive claims merely as an afterthought. Meeting the element of conduct that is so outrageous as to be beyond the bounds of civilized society is extremely difficult, and consequently most claims fail.

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08-11-2008, 11:56 PM

Posted By: JohnMcCormick next time you prep your legal case perhaps change the wording from Wikipedia.....and not cut and paste. Wikipedia how all good attorneys prep.... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress</a> Dan may know how to bug you but you have mastered google cut and paste.

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08-11-2008, 11:56 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWith all respect, why are you chasing this ambulance so hard? Why are you so concerned about Leon making a complaint to the police? And why are you cutting and pasting legal advice? Why not just let Leon do what he wants to do?

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08-11-2008, 11:57 PM

Posted By: Dan Bretta"This billy guy just threw out some random nonsense im sure not even knowing you had a girl to try and get under your skin." You SURE seem to know a lot about Billy's motivations. You said it yourself (You're even SURE of it)...that's where I got that nonsense.

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08-12-2008, 12:02 AM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyMcCormick, why do we HAVE to put this behind us, just because you want us to? The stuff this Billy guy said was pretty close to what is quoted above, did you actually see what he wrote? Whoever said this 25 year old was a kid was rediculous, The guy has been an adult for a long time and should know better. As the father of a daughter, I don't know if I would be as forgiving as Leon is being. This guy made his bed, and now he has to sleep in it. I'm just not sure what your beef is here? You seem to be taking anything directed at this sicko somewhat personally. -Rhett

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08-12-2008, 12:05 AM

Posted By: Chuck Montoya Top of page | Bottom of page | Main Index No easy out for this POS August 12 2008 at 12:08 AM Chuck Montoya (Login ChuckMontoya) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't post here often but I lurk here every day. This punk did not just come here once and then go away. He Hijacked somebodys account and said horrible disgusting things about a child. He should be taught a lesson! He's 25 years old! He's not a kid anymore and he needs to learn that threre are real repercussions to the type of behavior he displayed here! If it were my daughter he spoke of, I'd run a white hot icepick up his pee pee hole and then get mad. Not only is he an internet troll but, a very disturbed individual. You can NEVER be to careful when children are brought into the mix. I feel that an admission of guilt and a solemn promise in writing to never come to this board again is a good start followed by a public letter of apology and a promise to seek counseling. Proof of counseling should be provided. Anything less and I have an icepick you can borrow. Mr Mcormick has forgotten that he can control his mouse and read only threads pertaining to cards.

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08-12-2008, 12:05 AM

Posted By: McCormickI did copy paste it. I never said i didn't. you really thought I had time to type that out for you dan? I didnt put much time into it. Not as much time as you took to find it on the internet. HAHAHA all i said was to drop this nonsense. you are like trying to find out clues like a detective now. you said "your sure" what billy thinks. Grow up child and stop acting like billy. Leon will do whatever he thinks is needed. In my opionion he is wasting his time, just like your wasting your own.

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08-12-2008, 12:06 AM

Posted By: JoeI am not sure where you guys see the connection? The rapper threatened to track down the daughter and even offered a cash reward for information. Saying you had sex with someone is inappropriate but Leon will find when he calls the Reno police department that without an explicit threat like made in the article no investigation will even be launched. Do you want to meet back here this time tomorrow and we will see how far Leon got?

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08-12-2008, 12:10 AM

Posted By: McCormickyou understand what im saying here. Its just not worth a grown mans time. whats done is done. He is nowhere to be found now. So lets just move on from this and stop giving the prankster what he wants. Don't you people think he is home reading this garbage right now laughing that he got such a rise out of all of you? I know i was a kid at one point who loved to get a rise out of people. When people keep going it gives the hoodlum his satisfaction. enough is enough.

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08-12-2008, 12:13 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanIt's funny how you chastise Leon for wasting his time about this -- but you have no problem wasting just as much time defending the psycho who started this. And again, the guy who wrote these things is not laughing now at all, I assure you. But of course you know this already.

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08-12-2008, 12:14 AM

Posted By: JohnActually it was me not Dan who copied your post into Google and it popped the page above so really no time at all but thanks for worrying about my personal time management. So riddle me this guy. You and MB3 or “MBrocks” Mr. XTREME golf come out of nowhere to post your thoughts on the subject….I’ve been posting here for years never seen you guys. So please tell me out of all the topics discussed here on the (and I stress) “VINTAGE BASEBALL CARD FORUM” did this one speak to you guys to speak up. Just seems like an odd topic to jump on from the shadows of lurking being the huge collectors and baseball card fans, to play devil’s advocate to the vulgar vile stuff that was typed about a man’s 12yr old little girl… P.S. Will everyone stop saying 25yrs old is a kid...

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08-12-2008, 12:17 AM

Posted By: McCormick"But of course you know this already" what are you even talking about here? Did you read all my posts? or are you just believing what you want to believe? I never sided with anyone. i made that clear in my 1st couple posts. I said I was simply stating my opinion which Leon agreed with. WHY WASTE YOUR TIME? We are all adults here and have lives. This is rediculous that someone sick as "Billy" is able to even get a rise out of so many people and such attention. reason why i said to just drop it.

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08-12-2008, 12:21 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWhy are you wasting so much time? We don't consider supporting our friend as wasting time -- especially when it has to do with disgusting things said about his daughter. What is your excuse? Oh, I get it -- you're concerned about Leon too.

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08-12-2008, 12:21 AM

Posted By: McCormicksorry john i wasnt aware that i had to post to all the posts on this website to meet your qualifications. I apologize to you john for freedom of speech. Your right Johnny i shouldnt have spoke since i never spoke before. Pardon me John for stepping in and voicing my opinion. I wasnt aware that i had to formally intoduce myself to you Johnny before making myself public to anyone else. I am sorry for hurting your feelings John.

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08-12-2008, 12:27 AM

Posted By: JohnNo need to skirt the question with sarcasm besides you bringing sarcasm to me is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I asked a fair question why of all the interesting and even controversial topics on this forum do you pop up out of the blue to tell everyone to relax about vulgar sexual remarks made about someone’s child, and then have the stones to tell us to grow up that a 25yr old is just a kid and he can’t help it let it go. When a 9yr old drops the F-bomb because he heard big brother say it…it’s cute. When a 25yr old man makes the remarks this guy did it becomes not cute and downright reportable IMO clear enough for you genius…

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08-12-2008, 12:31 AM

Posted By: McCormick"you bringing sarcasm to me is like bringing a knife to a gun fight." we got a tough guy everyone.. watch out he will shoot you..

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08-12-2008, 12:37 AM

Posted By: David GoffWho has odds on this? Take 5-2 infavor of John...

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08-12-2008, 12:38 AM

Posted By: JohnYawn twist all you want… No violence here just an analogy use Wikipedia to look it up you seem to be good at that. Speaking of no violence or malice attended that’s a lot more than I can say about your boy you’re defending… and since we like to twist things around…how long have you been a supporter of child molestation? Do you guys meet at like TGIFridays or something…

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08-12-2008, 12:41 AM

Posted By: DDI'll speculate that this is not the first time that Billy did this on a chat forum. I'll also speculate it's not be the first time he has been caught. Who takes such elaborate measures to cover up their IP address?

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08-12-2008, 12:45 AM

Posted By: Brian McQueen Funny how every time someone gets in trouble on the board, from Peter Chao, to the present, we always seem to get this sudden "membership spike" here on our humble board. And, almost as humorous, is the fact that all these brand new members just happen to take the side of said troublemaker and appear so set in their convictions too! So what have we got so far? Well, we've got Billy Gilliam, with an Email address of bgilliam83@hotmail.com Then along came a former lawyer named Joe with an email address of bigrebel83@yahoo.com. Couldn't you have at least removed the "83" from your email address? We all know what year you were born at this point. Wow, never ran into a 25 year old FORMER lawyer before. Let's see, who else...oh...SMcormick@gmail.com. Ok, so you finally took the "83" out for the account you created through gmail, terrific. Did I miss any? What, no AOL account? Very amusing. Billy, I like the way you're using all your new aliases to have conversations with each other. That's really neat and creative... Leon, I wish you the best of luck tomorrow. Whatever you can do on your end, I hope you do it.

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08-12-2008, 12:48 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBrian, good work. What a shock! It's not so hard to figure out when new people suddenly joined the board and they are the only ones literally begging that no action be taken against young Billy. Hilarious. I love the 'former lawyer'...he was the best. As I said, little Billy isn't laughing anymore....

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08-12-2008, 12:49 AM

Posted By: JohnJeff aren't you 25?? I never thought I would say this but talking vulgar about peoples kids....can't we go back to the good ol' days of Cock Fighting?? Ahhhh memories…. <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/chicken3.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/3-japan_01.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/3-japan_03.jpg">

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08-12-2008, 12:49 AM

Posted By: DDDo you east coast guys ever sleep John? LOL

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08-12-2008, 12:50 AM

Posted By: JohnSadly David..no because in China it's almost 2:00pm...

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08-12-2008, 01:17 AM

Posted By: DDI used to work for a company that sold Chinese software. Do you use Twinbridge?

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08-12-2008, 01:32 AM

Posted By: David GoffUh oh John...you are about to open up a whole new can of worms. LOL (in reference to your cock fighting pics)

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08-12-2008, 01:43 AM

Posted By: leonSo it's no coincidence that "Joe", who started this thread, has the same exact IP address: 75.125.48.82 - by login: Griffeyfan as our boy Billy....nice start of a thread here Billy.....I am sure the Reno authorities will have a difficult time finding you too. Probably about as difficult of a time as I will have speaking with them tomorrow. Like I say my friend....we, or should I say "you", are done.....but don't worry, all of the things you said on the board really aren't that bad, are they? I am sure the police, who probably have a lot of young daughters, will think it's no big deal....have a good nights sleep.....

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08-12-2008, 05:48 AM

Posted By: John S...based on some of the child-like insults you made yesterday when a few of us were trying to talk cards in the chatroom. Insulting our mothers in a vulgar fashion. Just pitiful. And as your "friends" implored after you had been caught; we did not waste any time on you; just ignored your rambling ignorant nonsense. Accept whatever punishment is coming your way, get some help for whatever problems you may have on the tax-payers tab, and leave us alone.

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08-12-2008, 06:31 AM

Posted By: barrysloateIt's very unfortunate that this Billy Gilliam, who now appears to be posting under various names, has hijacked the board to such a degree that very little else has been discussed here lately. It makes me think that it is time for Leon to consider updating the software, or perhaps even making it difficult for a stranger to post here so freely (similar to that other board that is more secretive than the Stone Cutters). We are a free chat board that allows anyone to register and log in, and all free forums are subject to this kind of internet terrorism, for lack of a better term. Soon we may get copycat posters, and eventually our whole community will suffer for it.

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08-12-2008, 08:06 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanThe funniest part is how Gilliam thought that he could convince the board that "Joe" and "McCormick" were just two lurkers who have never posted on the board -- until now when they came out in support of not turning in a hopeful-pedophile to authorities. The 'former lawyer' bit was funny as well as the Wiki cut and paster. But the reverse psychology angle, that Billy was laughing instead of shaking in his boots -- good stuff too. Billy reminds me of one of those WWF wrestlers from the early 70s who, after hitting the good guy over the head with a chair when his back was turned would then be on his knees begging for forgiveness when the good guy turned around and slowly advanced towards the attack. Of course as soon as the good guy hesitated for a second the bad guy threw salt in his eyes.

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08-12-2008, 08:28 AM

Posted By: Scott Mt. JoyI sure hope you take this as far as you can Leon, I'm guessing this punk has done this many times before and will continue to do so until he learns how wrong it is.

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08-12-2008, 01:01 PM

Posted By: boxingcardman"Do you guys meet at like TGIFridays or something…" More likely Denny's, cleverly chosen for its bountiful use of pictures in the menu... Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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08-12-2008, 01:42 PM

Posted By: Dave HaasI think you should give Billy's info to the real Keith O. I'm sure he would like to know who is using his name to post such foul language. I'm sure his contacts at his network would come in real handy.

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08-12-2008, 01:52 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI've noticed that billy's postings no longer refer to the sexual things he wants to do to Leon's daughter. I wonder if he's still laughing about this? And do you think his daddy took out the belt and gave him a whupping?

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08-12-2008, 02:18 PM

Posted By: leonDon't look now....or over your shoulder: You really should have left my daughter out of this...... Thank you for filing a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3). Your complaint has been successfully submitted. Please retain the following information for future contacts with the IC3:

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08-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Posted By: marty qway to go leon, every man has a line that another should not cross, family is fisrt and foremost, he crossed-now he pays!!!! leon-our new charles bronson....letting the scum know what happens when good people fight back..

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08-12-2008, 03:05 PM

Posted By: leonThe Office of the President at the University of Reno wasn't very happy about hearing about this either.... <a href="http://www.unr.edu/president/contact/index.html" target="_new">http://www.unr.edu/president/contact/index.html</a> Billy seems to be intelligent as he is/was going for a Masters.....but really did cross the line...

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08-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Posted By: AnonymousDoes this mean the police were not interested?

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08-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Posted By: leonThis is a Federal crime that now has to do with a potential pedophile, based on what was put on the board. The Reno police might get involved but there are several other agencies involved at this point also. And all of this is besides the legal council in Dallas that is being sought to file Federal Civil charges. I think Billy is going to find out what he has done is very wrong, very soon......

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08-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Posted By: D.LaiWow! That is why children and adults should never play with fire. I commend you for taking action against this character. Hopefully in the long run he won't make the same mistake twice.

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08-12-2008, 03:21 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWatch it, Leon, Billy stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night so be prepared for some more unsolicited legal advice from him.

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08-12-2008, 03:24 PM

Posted By: Jim VBI think Billy has already cut and pasted everything he can find on Wikipedia. I especially liked the way a guy posing as Keith Olberman, and then a former lawyer, cited chapter and verse on how posting his personal info was "identity theft."

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08-12-2008, 03:30 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaDon't forget the rock n roll golfer ~MB3~

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08-12-2008, 03:45 PM

Posted By: BrianHuckleberry (plant) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search For other uses, see Huckleberry. Wild huckleberry in the Mount Hood National Forest. The floral remnants, signifying a false berry, are visible on the apex of the fruit.Huckleberry is a name used in North America for several plants in two closely related genera in the family Ericaceae: Gaylussacia and Vaccinium. The Huckleberry is the state fruit of Idaho. While some Vaccinium species, such as the Red Huckleberry, are always called huckleberries, other species may be called blueberries or huckleberries depending upon local custom. Usually, the distinction between them is that blueberries have numerous tiny seeds, while huckleberries have 10 larger seeds (making them more difficult to eat). Note that there is much confusion in naming of berries in American English. The 'garden huckleberry' (Solanum melanocerasum) is not considered to be a true huckleberry but a member of the nightshade family. The fruit of the various species of plant called huckleberry is generally edible. The berries are small and round, usually less than 5 mm in diameter, and contain 10 relatively large seeds. Berries range in color according to species from bright red, through dark purple, and into the blues. In taste the berries range from tart to sweet, with a flavor similar to that of a blueberry, especially in blue/purple colored varieties. Huckleberries are a favorite of many mammals such as bears and humans. Bog Huckleberry at Polly's Cove, Nova ScotiaIn the Pacific Northwest of North America, the huckleberry plant can be found in mid-alpine regions, often on the lower slopes of mountains. The plant grows best in damp, acidic soil. Under optimal conditions, huckleberries can be as much as 1.5-2 m (about 5-6.5 feet) high, and usually ripen in mid-to-late summer; later at higher elevations. Huckleberries hold a place in archaic English slang. The tiny size of the berries led to their frequent use as a way of referring to something small, often in an affectionate way. The phrase "a huckleberry over my persimmon" was used to mean "a bit beyond my abilities". "I'm your huckleberry" is a way of saying that one is just the right person for a given job,[1] which was used by the character Doc Holliday in the movie Tombstone. The Huckleberry Railroad is a heritage train located in Flint, Michigan. It ran so slowly that it was said a person could jump off the train, pick huckleberries and jump back on the train with minimum effort. [2]

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08-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Posted By: JohnDan funny on the hardcore golfer sort of like being the tallest midget....not even a chuckle on the Poochie thing...you guys really let me down sometimes..LOL <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0Kk-aizUxns&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0Kk-aizUxns&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1218513647/last-1218515338/I+applaud+your+decision+Leon+take+a+bow+%28" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1218513647/last-1218515338/I+applaud+your+decision+Leon+take+a+bow+%28</a>--

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08-12-2008, 06:46 PM

Posted By: SteveDang, I missed all the activity. Having a life truly sucks... Are we going after little Billy?

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08-12-2008, 07:10 PM

Posted By: Shawn ChambersJohn, Speaking for Kung Fu Hippies everywhere, I thought the Poochie comment was genius. The XTREME golf thing is lame beyond belief. There, happy? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Shawn

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08-12-2008, 08:36 PM

Posted By: SteveGood job Leon, this guy deserves whatever he gets at this point. Steve

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08-12-2008, 10:24 PM

Posted By: TylerJohn, Your "dripping with sarcasm" comment about the Xtreme golf, etc. was fabulous. I didn't want to get involved with this mess, so I didn't post. Now that it has died down I will give you full props. NICE! Wonka Rules!

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08-12-2008, 10:31 PM

Posted By: Jodi BirkholmJohn, Nobody gets my jokes, either. Perhaps we should form a support group.

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08-12-2008, 10:38 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaOh we get them. We just aren't laughing..... Just kidding...actually we don't get them. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-12-2008, 10:43 PM

Posted By: Jodi BirkholmIf you get any of them, consider yourself proud. Check and mate. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-12-2008, 10:46 PM

Posted By: Brandon Brown*POST REMOVED DUE TO COMPLAINT: SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT!

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08-12-2008, 10:51 PM

Posted By: KyleI find the image and words offensive. In a gesture of understanding, Brandon would you please edit your post and remove the image? Thanks, Kyle

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08-12-2008, 10:51 PM

Posted By: Dan Bretta<img src="http://sweet.socialpets.net/12750103187p6728.jpg">

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08-12-2008, 10:56 PM

Posted By: KyleSome people just don't get it. Just think of it like this... what words, images, etc. do you find offensive when used inappropriately? Thank you for your understanding, Brandon. -Kyle EDITED last line of first sentence. Added "when used inappropriately".

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08-12-2008, 10:56 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultzthanks for removing that pic Brandon--you're right, I don't get it.

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08-12-2008, 11:01 PM

Posted By: Jodi Birkholm<<what words, images, etc. do you find offensive?>> I'd type them all out, but wouldn't want to risk offending myself!

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08-12-2008, 11:04 PM

Posted By: Brandon BrownOne mans' humor is another mans' hot-button issue. Growing up with a disability, I have been able to overlook abject stupidity of others, who intentionally mean to hurt peoples' feelings. When you are dealing with a society that hasnt been exposed to those sort of things (the type of issues dealt with in that post) it makes people uncomfortable, whereas someone who has been around people with disabilities, and heard all sorts of jokes and whatnot throughout my life, it doesnt phase me anymore. I appologise to those who I offended! NOW LETS GET BACK TO CARDS PEOPLE!!!! Brandon

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08-12-2008, 11:09 PM

Posted By: MB3To those wondering why i posted my comments let me make it very clear. I do not know anyone from here. I enjoy baseball cards and most of the time i go right to the t-card post board. I have purchased T-206 cards on here and will continue doing so. I was told about this site from a very honest and also high end collector as a alternative to e-bay, his collection would be in the millions dollar wise. The reason for my posts is very simple, i thought this was a baseball card message board and not like every other site where the subject at hand always get pushed aside and then conversations turn into drama such as threats,ridicule,and confrontational situations. I am the type of guy that tries to break up fights not start them. My comments were made only to try and help Leon not let a individual get under his skin. MB3

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08-12-2008, 11:13 PM

Posted By: KyleHi Brandon, I knew there was a deeper meaning to your post, hence my hesitation to post something more blunt and potentially, well rude. I've come to learn not everyone on this board has the worst of intentions, some just need a little kick in the ass to realize what is worth posting, and what isn't. Your willingness to remove the image immediately scores you points in my book. Thank you, much appreciated. Have a great rest of your night, rest of your week and soon to be... your weekend! Regards, -Kyle

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08-12-2008, 11:19 PM

Posted By: MB3To John and Shawn. When a person has opened for Marilyn Manson on several occasions they do not have to think they are extreme or hardcore it is just a given, LMFAO because i am quite sure that you two individuals would probably stand at the back of the building near the exit once the first guitar chord was struck.

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08-12-2008, 11:40 PM

Posted By: B.C.Danielsdoes this dildo even collect cards? BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-12-2008, 11:46 PM

Posted By: MB3I also will state for the record that i never saw Billy's post so i did not know what he said about Leon's daughter or how old she was. I really came onto the main page because i have a baseball photograph that is the only one in the world to exist and was going to post it and try to get some insight and possibly sell it here and just noticed the Leon thread. After seeing how things have gone down over the past two days this place is way to cheesy and self righteous for me. Leon you and Dan might want to get out of the baseball card business and possibly consider a job in law enforcement.

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08-12-2008, 11:52 PM

Posted By: MB3Yeah BC i collect cards and own the highest grade examples of some t-206 cards that have been graded by PSA.

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08-12-2008, 11:53 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaI wish I were in the baseball card business.

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08-12-2008, 11:54 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaYou've got me curious about your baseball photo...why not post it over on the memorabilia side and give us a try?

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08-13-2008, 12:16 AM

Posted By: MB3Dan....the photo is just the beginning. I just recently slabbed 250 t-206 cards and bought another collection that had 640 raw ones of which most will grade between 5 and 7. My goal was to sell them on this site and give the true t-card collector a chance at getting them without having to worry about being schill bidded against. My photo is turn of the century and i have contacted two museums and both were astounded that one survived. The photo also has several famous people in the stands and there photographs are highly sought after because not many survived. I thought that perhaps instead of sending it to Robert Edwards or Mastro that i would try and figure it's worth here because my friend told me this sight had the deepest collectors on the planet. After the drama over the past few days i am going to reconsider and the only reason i am still here is because i have made a few purchases from people and am waiting for the cards to arrive once they do rest assured i am ****ing out of this joint.

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08-13-2008, 12:29 AM

Posted By: Todd Schultzadios

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08-13-2008, 02:02 AM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthMB seems to be full of lots of BM.

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08-13-2008, 02:37 AM

Posted By: MB3Want to see who is full of it there bottom? How about we make a friendly wager of oh about 25k which can be put in escrow that i can produce the cards and photo. I enjoy gambling and i am not the type to bs about the items i have especially when i dropped over 30k to purchase the last lot of t-cards. I currently own over 50 tin types and pre 1900 baseball photos that i have aquired from my travels playing golf all over the country the past ten years. Most folks at small town antique shops have no idea what items are worth so they just do not understand what a baseball tintype is worth, when i am not practicing i generally seek these places out and also attend auctions. Let me make it real easy on you, i'll just bet you 5k that i have the photo and when you accept the bet i'll let you talk to the two museum curators and also send you a image. Then we will see if you want to wager on whether or not i have the cards.

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08-13-2008, 02:45 AM

Posted By: DMcDBilly Gilliam is Steve McCormick is MB3, right? This is getting kinda confusing.

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08-13-2008, 02:46 AM

Posted By: MB3No...i do not know Gilliam or anyone else on this board.

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08-13-2008, 03:59 AM

Posted By: JohnOh...Poochie..... "Most folks at small town antique shops have no idea what items are worth so they just do not understand what a baseball tintype is worth" Yeah maybe you can go on the XTREME antiques road show that would be XTREME to the MAX! Yeah folks have never heard of eBay or the internet. Wow smart, a rock god, and an XTREME golfer, are you also a Navy Seal/CIA agent...and Astronaut. "When a person has opened for Marilyn Manson on several occasions they do not have to think they are extreme or hardcore it is just a given" Yeah you're right popular music is so scary today, I just want to stay home and listen to my Glenn Miller albums...speaking of which "extreme" and "hardcore"...LOL what other buzz words are you planning on pulling out "Dope", "The Bomb", "Word"... MB 1997 called their missing some words from the yawn vault. Somehow I think you're not the real MBrocks... at least I hope guys who open for Manson don't always sound so sad and whinny... "and the only reason i am still here is because i have made a few purchases from people and am waiting for the cards to arrive once they do rest assured i am ****ing out of this joint." Boo hoo I'm going to take my ball and go home..boo...hoo...hoo..God you can't even leave in an XTREME way. P.S. Cash in escrow Billy, wow 30k is almost like 50yrs allowance to you, and if you are the famous MB3 I think it's safe to say we know the money's not coming from your huge golf purses. Looks like from 2006's numbers you'll be about 24k short of the bet, I hope 2007 and 2008 and have been more XTREME in payouts.

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08-13-2008, 04:32 AM

Posted By: MB3John.... since you are to cool for school then why don't you cut all the talk and put your money where your mouth is. Contact me via my website and then i will write you back and you will see that this is not a imposter. I played pretty well in 06 considering i played half the season with a torn ribcage before it got so serious that i had to rest the entire 07 season. I must be able to play since i shot 68 at US Open qualifying and won the event while injured. I also made two cuts while injured and missed qualifying for the Nationwide tour event by one shot in New York while only being able to swing 70%. In response to your assumption about antique shop owners watching the road show and e-bay here is where you are wrong. Most people just figure a tintype is worth between 100 to 300 and do not figure out who the player is on the tintype. If i were you and you seem like such a tough guy with that chilly willy wonka five year old mindset that likes to call people down then do so. If i thought a guy was bogus or just talking **** then i would shut him up by putting my money where my mouth is because real men bet money. I really do not want to reveal any of my baseball items because after seeing how the people on this board act i would never put a item for sale on here. There are a couple of members who know i just bought some t-206 cards from them via the pay-pal route and that i am waiting for them to arrive, one of them has even posted comments during this whole billy situation. Here is a tintype i own of General Custer and to his right is a african american soldier, the tintype is worth around 5 to 8 thousand and i purchased it in the parking lot of a antique store when a gentleman who had a booth in the store sold me a baseball tintype and said he had a few with soldiers in them at the house. He had no idea what Custer looks like. Let me know how much you want to lose and i will produce the goods.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1218619747.JPG">

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08-13-2008, 04:34 AM

Posted By: MB3You probably do not know what custer looks like either but now you do.

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08-13-2008, 04:54 AM

Posted By: MB3Glenn Miller and Willy Wonka...now there is a real exacta box if i ever saw one. Might try dusting off your record player and vcr tapes or i know pop a few geritol to take the edge off.

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08-13-2008, 05:41 AM

Posted By: barrysloateMB3- I have been buying and selling tintypes for about twenty years and have seen and handled hundreds of them. Maybe I have positively identified a ballplayer on two or three of them. Just curious, who are some of the ballplayers you have identified of which the antique dealers were unaware? You also mentioned you bought a collection of 640 T206, most which would grade between 5 and 7. Sounds like a collection worth in the vicinity of a million dollars. Wish I could find something like that, and retire on it. Could you fill us in on some details? Thank you.

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08-13-2008, 06:08 AM

Posted By: Shawn ChambersMB3 of orient are... The only reason I would be standing next to the Exit at a Marilyn Manson show is because I've already seen the concert...years ago...when it was Alice Cooper! Oh, and you should love Alice, he plays golf, but probably not as XTREMELY as you. Since, obviously, you are taken to the 3rd power. Sorry, hardslick, but Marilyn is NOT nearly hard enough for me. Too damn radio friendly, chief. I will be happy to accompany you to some shows where your stupid Penguin polo will be shoved down your throat. Penguin...remember when it was Munsingwear...now it just seems to be Mansonwear. Aaahh, how "punk" has changed. Keep trying. Shawn

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08-13-2008, 07:03 AM

Posted By: SteveI like applesauce. Steve

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08-13-2008, 07:38 AM

Posted By: SteveBoy, far too many of these disrespectful newbees are really hungup on themselves... Apparently, someone in this chute didn't get enough of momma's milk. MB3, Read what you've typed. You sound like a pompous stuffed shirt. You think you are threatening with your macho spew?.. Well I got a news flash, You come across as a whiney, uptight, little piss ant. Take your amazing collection of mens pictures and stuff them where the sun don't shine -cuz noone here give's a rat's ass. Ya see, It's not what is in your collection that earns respect. How you creeps avoided being sucker'd in high school eludes me! Too many of these confrontational posts lately. Leon, Speaking for myself here, but I wouldn't mind seeing a born on date with our IDs. Just to keep track of the new-age egotists with internet-induced cajones. Also, would help in knowing which threads to ignore. Perhaps it's time?

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08-13-2008, 07:54 AM

Posted By: Zinn<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1218632024.GIF">

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08-13-2008, 07:57 AM

Posted By: leonI am with you on seeing some more stuff, and as our friend little Billy said, our s/w is somewhat antiquated. But ya know what? The more I seen in upgrades and how newer s/w works I am not sure our tried and true KISS s/w isn't pretty darn good. MB3- the folks on this site have known each other for many, many years. The core group are almost like family. Going back to our previous board I have been on it 9 yrs. Many others have been on it that long too...and a very few about a yr longer, which was the inception of the original board. Some of our board members have known each other for 30 or more years. Most of us are fairly mature (really) regular ole family folks. I have nothing against you personally but you are fairly new here and as such aren't known too well. It looks like you are a golfer and a pretty good one. Kudo's for that. It looks like you "roll" your own way. I have been "rolling" for about 10 yrs longer than you have been alive. But that's a whole nuther story <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. We need to get together and have a few beers if you want to talk extreme. Cold warfare training in Korea in the USMC was extreme. Living the other side of Miami vice for several years was extreme. Many things we do are extreme....Heck, a lot of us are addicted to our little cards....which is mostly better than some other addictions and could be considered extreme. So I say...sit back, take it easy....enjoy our board if you want to...and if you don't want to it's ok too. I appreciate your thoughts on little Billy. Maybe someday when you have a little daughter you will understand why just letting this go is not a good thing...also, little Billy needs to learn this lesson...Just like a lot of us have had life's learning lessons in the past. I will be talking to one of his University's internet security people today and then call back one of their Regents with an update. I expect a federal agency to be involved today too...Maybe you are unaware but little Billy has been disrupting our board for quite some time. Now he gets to learn from it....If I can ever help you let me know....best regards

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08-13-2008, 08:02 AM

Posted By: JoannI know people get sick of this stuff - once in awhile I do too. But I think it's worth wading through these threads sometimes just to see the humor of some people here. HAH! What I wouldn't give to be as sharp as Wonka or Lichtman when they get on a roll and get after some jerk. lolol. I just absolutely crack up. And MB, "i collect cards and own the highest grade examples of some t-206 cards that have been graded by PSA." .. we already have all the Bruces we need here. Thanks though. J

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08-13-2008, 08:37 AM

Posted By: barrysloateLately we've had a number of newbies come onto the board not with the intention of assimilating into our community, but instead to anatgonize it. They aren't here to share or learn, but to derail intelligent conversations. I don't have a plan to correct this but it is something the board needs to address. There seems to be less discussion about baseball cards than there should be. And yes Joann, we already have many Bruces; now MP3 wants to outBruce Bruce.

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08-13-2008, 08:38 AM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliI've got to say that I really admire Leon's patience and professionalism during this debacle. Having been the moderator of a few message boards, and I can definitely say I am not a big enough person to have handled this the same way. -Al

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08-13-2008, 08:45 AM

Posted By: John SOne could do a Master's Thesis in psychology simply by frequenting the board and analyzing and interpreting the motives of some of the antagonists that Barry mentions.

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08-13-2008, 08:55 AM

Posted By: Kenneth A. CohenWhere did MB3 come from? Just got off the night shift. Too much to go back and read. Is he just the latest of Billy's gaggle of alter-egos? Can't tell the players without a scorecard. (There - a baseball reference.)

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08-13-2008, 09:48 AM

Posted By: leonI really just hang out and take it all in. The one thing I got out of my degree is that other intelligent folks can have great ideas that I don't agree with. Barry- the sky isn't falling.....It will be ok. Net54 has been thru much worse than this.....I do agree with most of what you say though..... AL- thanks for the kind words....You know me fairly well.....I don't get upset about too often and respect others' opinions.....sometimes it's a tad bit difficult to bite my tongue but I have a lot of practice...And sometimes I can be sarcastic like the rest of us. If I was as big of a guy as you I wouldn't take any crap either <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.....wish we could have hung out more at the National but my nights were fairly full....best regards

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08-13-2008, 09:59 AM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliNo sweat, Leon. Hopefully we'll both be in the hobby for a long time - eventually, we'll get that beer. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> -Al

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08-13-2008, 10:19 AM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthBarry It is very simple. Ignore. Don't reply. All of which is in our collective control. The site will be here for those who want to use it or misuse it. It is up to those of us who want to keep it focused to exercise restraint and simply do nothing. Seems so simple yet it does not get done. Don't need any fancy software or a private site, like LTS. You want to talk cards, then do so. Time for people to take responsibility and resit the temptation to get into it with guys who are here to just fool around. Greg

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08-13-2008, 10:27 AM

Posted By: barrysloateGreg- I guess you are right. Maybe it's best just to ignore all this unnecessary stuff. It is a lot of clutter, however.

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08-13-2008, 10:28 AM

Posted By: JohnMB3, I have no need to contact a mediocre golfer via email if I wanted to do that I would email myself..LOL. But thanks for proving my point I knew if I pushed your buttons hard enough you would get all fired up talk trash and act childish...was I wrong. It’s amazing how a few words bummed you out so much to get you acting like a kid exactly what you busted everyone else’s balls about. In fact it was you who eluded that you would never stoop to that level. Well you did and over what me teasing you about your golf game, or your pseudo extreme persona. In fact it took much less to put you over the top than it did Leon with Billy. So Wonka got you bummed out with some words, imagine if those words were about engaging in vulgar unsolicited sex acts with your child get the picture yet extreme enough for ya? And for the record my email is right next to my name always has been no need to go to anyone’s webpage you want to chat drop me a line.