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Old 01-08-2009, 01:39 PM
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Posted By: peter ullman

Dan....good point...I've heard it said that every order is handled the same...how could it be? If it were my business...there'd be committee grading...to achieve better consistency...like diving...take the highest and lowest score and throw them away and avg the rest. It would be a special occasion where rare and special cards came in and I'd want everyone to see them and help evaluate...sounds like fun to me!



How can REA be sure there are no more of these...unless all 3 originated from the same original source? There are definitely thousands of undiscovered...most likely original T-206's out there..somewhere?



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Posted By: Doug

I figure the head graders would be the ones to look at all the high dollar cards, but that's just a guess.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Peter is right there are 1000's of undiscovered T-206's out there....i bought over 400 undiscovered T-206's about 8 months ago and am currently looking at another collection of over 600 that have been stored away for over 90 years. All i can say is that i would like to have been in the tobacco business back at the turn of the century.

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Posted By: CoreyRSh.anus

Something like this can put skilled forgers out of business. After all, isn't it pretty neat that if you're not good at that sort of thing, not only will your work pass muster, but it will be even more valuable than a deftly-done forgery because it will be perceived as a new variation?

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Posted By: rand

i do not belong to the psa boards, i do not know what is protocal there. what i have heard is psa will screen the commments and remove any negative remarks against the company. this being said... will Orlando post a message with an answer about this card, mistake or not, will psa take responsibilty publicly?????

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Wow - I certainly see the difference now.

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:45 PM
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Posted By: Adam

Can someone crop in on just the "N.Y. NAT'L" parts of both cards above and post just that? I would do it myself if I knew how.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Recall our discussion about 2 months ago on this forum.......

I said......

"There are at least 4 - 6 other "Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'l" cards in circulation that are GRADED....and, are FAKES !


You replied......

"What scares me the most about what you've said are the implications. A number of fake Doyle errors have already
been slabbed. Yet to an expert such as yourself they are detectable due to the lettering being off."


Well, it was just a matter of time; and, one of these fakes has surfaced....and, no less it is the "POLAR BEAR" version ! !

So, where are the others ?



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Old 01-08-2009, 02:54 PM
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Posted By: PC

Jon: I realize you answered your own question already, but (to state the obvious) the two problems with the PSA 6 Doyle font are:

(1) the location of the printing at the bottom of the PSA 6 version is not lined-up the same (from the left and right margins) as on real T206 Doyle's; and

(2) the PSA 6 font is simply different -- each letter appears slightly wider than on a real Doyle (this seems most obvious to me on the "D" and the "O").

One would think that such a rare card would be subject to stricter standards at PSA. Joe Orlando himself should be the one double-checking the graders and comparing scans of real Doyle NY Nat'ls before sealing that slab. Really, how hard would it be to send scans to one or two T206 experts, to get their "off the record" opinions. There are a dozen people on this board alone that would have determined that card was a fake from a scan, in 30 seconds, and have done it for free.

Amazingly stupid. And add to that the Polar Bear back, and it is an even more ridiculous mistake (since Piedmont 350 is the only known back for the Doyle Nat'l).

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