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Old 10-09-2008, 09:54 AM
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Posted By: Brian T.

I have never seen the fronts of those cards before, but the backs are identical to the 1935 Goudey 4-in-1 set - including the puzzle piece designation, and the corner art. In the 1935 Goudey set, the puzzle pieces form nine different pictures: Detroit Tigers team, Chuck Klein, Frankie Frisch, Mickey Cochrane, Joe Cronin, Jimmy Foxx, Al Simmons, Cleveland Indians team, or Washington Senators team. The interesting thing about these puzzles is that there are more puzzle pieces (72) than cards in the set (36). As a result, all cards have several different backs.

So, in short, the puzzle piece of Mickey Cochrane fits the Goudey conclusion, but the front is a mystery. As an aside, Carl Hubbell was not in the 4-in-1 set. Again, the front of that set didn't show just a single picture, but was divided in fourths with 4 members from the same team (i.e. Brandt, Maranville, McManus and Ruth from the Boston Braves)

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Posted By: Chris Counts

That looks like Joe Medwick's photo on the Frank McCormick card ...

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Posted By: Red

Front info dates "cards" to 1938. Slaughter referred to as rookie with last year's ML record. Camili was with Phillies 1937 and Dodgers 38. Some other cards refer to 37 season. Puzzles are 6 piece configuration.

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Posted By: dan mckee

ok the year is nailed down, backs are exactly like the 1935 set. Goudey made an interesting set in 1938 so maybe they started with these and changed their minds? Very interesting!

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Posted By: barrysloate

How do we know it's a Goudey?- how do we know it's even a baseball card?

Looks to me like a cut out picture glued to a 1935 Goudey. GAI made a mistake and needs to recall this silly thing.

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Posted By: dan mckee

YOU GO BARRY! I am trying to collect all facts before I slam anyone. I would actually be shocked if GAI slabbed a glued together never seen before issue wouldn't you? Flags go up immediately and they would see if the 2 pieces were attached and not printed don't you think? Just some thoughts here. Dan.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is a card of some sort. Then why is it a 1938 Goudey proof? And why would Goudey use the back of a regular issue 1935 Goudey? That sounds more like printer's scrap.

(I'll get your T206 out shortly Dan. Thank you).

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

It's interesting but I'm not ready to write it off.

The backs of the second series of '38 Goudey cards make reference to an additional 24 cards that were never actually produced. I've often wondered what they were, or where they came from.

In 1937, Goudey acquired the assets of the National Chicle company and began using the Diamond Stars name on the backs of the 1939 R303 premiums. After the 48 cards in the '38 set, it took Goudey three years to release another set of cards (besides the premiums, which I believe were used to sell Diamond Stars Gum).

Of the 10 cards offered by this seller, two of them - Rudy York and Zeke Bonura - are a part of the '38 Goudey "Heads Up" set. Given that each of the subjects in the "Heads Up" set were duplicated twice, it makes no sense that those players would be issued a third time. It also makes no sense that while there's a Hubbell, Slaughter and Hartnett, there is still no Bill Dickey, Mel Ott, Mickey Cochrane, Lefty Gomez or Ted Williams. It also makes no sense that there would be only ten cards, since the Heads Up press sheets included 12 cards each (although it could be that two cards disappeared over time, or that the seller is still holding two more).

The copywriting on these cards is really poor - unlike the copywriting on the other Goudey cards. However, the stats on the Zeke Bonura card, and the reference to "last year," date this to 1938 for sure.

At the same time, the cards appear to be black and white, which would make sense given the economic and wartime climate in which they were issued. The puzzles on the back seem to mimic the '35 Goudey design (as has been mentioned in this thread).

In my opinion, Goudey did SOMETHING in 1938 after the first 24 subjects in the Heads Up set were issued. That something never translated into commercially-produced cards, and I've often thought that the evidence was burned up in the furnace with all the other important paperwork from that company.

I'd like to get my hands on one of these cards, pop it out of that holder, and see what kind of stock it's printed on.

-Al

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Posted By: Rhys

Considering that you can see part of the 1935 Four in One card beneath the paste job on this card


And that you can see the blue borders peaking out on most of the others, I think you have your answer.

Rhys

I cant get the link to work, but it is the Harry Danning card.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1938-GOUDEY-PROOF-HARRY-DANNING-CARD-GAI-AUTHENTIC_W0QQitemZ200261525636QQcmdZViewItem?hash =item200261525636&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C2 40%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Good catch, Rhys, but I'm not sure that Global would slab an obvious paste job. There must be something about the card that made them think it was real. But I'm curious about why they're in Global slabs and not PSA or SGC.

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