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Old 01-26-2008, 09:26 AM
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Posted By: dan mckee

I am helping Dan out and doing a little editing for him (leon)

I did a small write up on the variances of the Orange Border issue. These are just my opinions and I would like to open it up for comments and debate.
Ok here goes a little more info on the Niles (below). I am going to stick to my guns and stay with it being an Orange Border.
I scanned a few variances in some of mine:

Note the background if the Niles to the Speaker, though most Orange borders have a solid background, these 2 are similar.
Look at the background on the Doyle, that is by far the most detailed background I have seen in this issue.


Next, look at Doyle's name, all in white letters when most Orange borders come in all black letters.
Now look at McGraw's name, half black and white. All McGraws are like this as I have access to 2 others.


Most Orange borders have just a last name in all caps, but look at the Cobb, 1st and last name.

Finally, take a look at the right side corners of the McGraw, notice the rounding of the white frame.


Though the Niles corners are rounded more, I still believe this is an Orange border. As you can see, there are many other variances across the issue and the Niles has many similarities. Wife is screaming at me to get on the honey-do list, gotta run Dan.


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Posted By: leon

Nice write up Dan...here are my only 2....

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Old 01-26-2008, 10:18 AM
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Nice holder on that Plank, Leon. Maybe when GAI opens on Monday you could get them to change it to a man's holder.



PS: I'm on the fence about the Niles being an Orange border...

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For what it's worth:

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Old 01-26-2008, 10:58 AM
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Posted By: leon

I am leaning towards this not being an Orange Border for the following reasons:

1. The most notable exception, to me, is the rounded borders.
2. The letters in his name are different than all of the other 9 shown. There are a few shading variances but nothing like the deliberate, specific shading of the Niles.
3. The border itself just doesn’t look quite right with respect to the way the red is colored on it. It doesn’t "look" like the others though I don’t care to try to pinpoint it.
4. All of the other 9 have fairly nice borders, without too much wear on them…..They might be uneven from the mandatory hand cut, but there's not much wear; and this from at least 4 different groups.
5. Even when taking the size of the scan into consideration, Niles seems to be cropped to have a larger caricature than all of the rest.

Given those thoughts I think there is a reasonable chance it’s not an Orange Border.
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Posted By: Joe D.

IMO - Niles is not an Orange Border.

The rounded corners....
the type being different....
and the amount of 'white' within the whole Niles card -
lead me to believe it was a different issue.


I hate to disagree with you on this issue... because you are the guru - and definitely have more experience with the set than I do.
But - I say Niles is not the same issue as the others.


*The other possibility is that the candy company had a longer run with this concept (in terms of years). Possibly the front design of the box changed slightly / rounded edges on any border design / typeface changing / and maybe a different way to combine the two colors used (and they applied those slight changes to the player card portion as well).... So, they could all be 'Orange Borders' just one is Orange Borders-1 and one is Orange Borders-2.


I would love to see them in person, side-by-side to do a good comparison.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Awesome input guys! I love it. I can't argue with any of your valid points. I can ask that you keep in mind that I do not own the Niles and I didn't scan it so the different color on the border may just be the scanner. I agree that the round corners are a huge discrepency and hey, please do disagree with me as this is an educational friendly debate.

Are we all on board that the Doyle is an Orange Border? Dano

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Posted By: Joe D.

Doyle looks okay to me.

The orange just ran a bit darker (unless it is the scan)..... otherwise it looks very consistent with the others.

The knockout type doesn't bother me a bit.... looks like a design decision against the darker background.

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Posted By: ErlandStevens

I've never owned or seen one in person, so I have no credibility here. Still, I don't think they look all that different. The Niles does stand out with the rounded borders, but several of the others (especially the McGraw) have rounded white borders. If Niles is on the same paper stock as other bona fide orange borders, then Niles has a more similarities than differences. It's not like all the other cards are 100% self consistent. I think it's easier to believe that Niles is a odd orange border than a previously unknown issue.

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Posted By: fkw

Compare the backs.

If you have another to compare too. On back check the surface of the cardboard, the color, texture, thickness, etc.

Thats what I would do.

Also match up the photo area and see if its the same width and length.

Also look at the orange under magnification and see if it looks like the same quality ink.

Like Erland said, Some of these cards have slightly rounded photo corners, but the Niles is so much more.

I guess Orange Border, mainly because of the slightly tinted photo (face, background), and caption being exactly like an Orange Border, plus the borders are orange What else would it be???

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