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Old 09-19-2007, 02:19 PM
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Posted By: peter chao

Between the three major grading companies, is there any real difference when they grade a vintage card authentic?

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Old 09-19-2007, 02:23 PM
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Peter- I think only in the perception of value by the collector. There's not a lick of difference between an authentic GAI, PSA or SGC card and yet my gut feeling is that a PSA authentic will sell for more than a comparable condition problem SGC authentic card which will sell for more than a comparable condition problem GAI authentic card. Don't ask me why. I have a couple of gorgeous HOF caramels which are in GAI authentic slabs and they'll stay there but I realize I could probably get more for them if I ever sold them in they were in PSA holders.
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:30 PM
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Posted By: davidcycle

If that's the case, Bob, that would show the irrationalness involved in slab collecting. If a collector feels a PSA7 is more reliable than a SGC7 or GAI7, that is one thing. If collectors says a PSA AUTH (trimmed) is worth more than the same card SGC AUTH (trimmed), that is irrationalness demonstrated.

What would be their rationale for paying less for the GAI label and more for the PSA label on the same card with the same AUTH (trimmed) grade? Do they say GAI is less reliable than PSA at detecting trimming? The problem with this reason is it would be reason for paying more for the GAI label not less, as it would mean the GAI labeled card has a higher chance than the PSA of being not trimmed.

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Old 09-19-2007, 02:32 PM
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Posted By: Dave F

I still dont understand what makes one card a 1 or 10 and one authentic...this one sure looks like it would fall into the authentic category instead of a numerical holder to me...

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Old 09-19-2007, 02:49 PM
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Posted By: E, Daniel

Though I disagree on the order Bob suggests, the reasoning for a hierarchy is sound. If you believe one company has greater powers to discern condition AND authenticity, then you will happily pay a little more for the card slabbed by the inferred more knowledgable company.

My 'authentic' order (for vintage) would be:

SGC
PSA
GAI / BVG

In my estimation, SGC carry more knowledgable graders regarding vintage issues coupled with a greater likelihood that any card in doubt can get passed to a set of eyes I really trust, than do the other companies. My belief is that PSA over endow responsibility to graders who haven't much experience with vintage cards, and don't 'proof read' those graders estimations sufficiently.

Thus I would certainly be more comfortable buying a card graded SGC Authentic than PSA or GAI, albeit a smaller issue of concern for me than the varying grading standards that the companies subscribe to.


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i do believe auth. is saying the card holdered is altered. colored,trimmed,rebacked changed in some way to alter the card, usually to decieve but sometimes not.

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Dennis,

Suppose a card was purposely altered to decieve and the grader knows it, would the grading companies still call it authentic?

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This happened to me this year... I sent many common 1915 cj`s to SGC for grading..... one came back marked pressed but not slabbed. I then took it to the National to ask why they would not slab it Authentic?? They agreed card was authentic but would not slab it. I then walked it over to PSA and told them my story......... card was then slabbed by PSA Authentc with no real explaination from them as to why SGC wouldn`t slab it. Still don`t understand Authentic grade. I would think that it is ANY card no matter condition that is Authentic......Right????

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Old 09-21-2007, 07:25 PM
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Are there different definitions for Authentic grade from the Big three?

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