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Old 09-19-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default How scarce are the 1914 Fatima T222 Cards?

Posted By: Richard C

Anyone know the scarcity of the 1914 Fatima T222 set? I was considering collecting the set. Any info would be appreciated.
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default How scarce are the 1914 Fatima T222 Cards?

Posted By: dennis

if you are thinking of completing this set my guess is you might complete it in the year 2050,if you are lucky & providing you have lots of $$. i doubt there are many complete sets in existance. i also don't think it is not even attempted to complete by many. anyone else care to comment on this scarce set?

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Old 09-19-2007, 06:36 PM
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Posted By: peter ullman

while I do agree completing the set will prove extremely difficult, expensive and time consuming...as will finding certain hof'ers...finding commons in ok condition is not terribly difficult!

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Old 09-19-2007, 07:39 PM
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Posted By: joe

I think they are tough, especially in nice condition. This is my only one.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

Here's mine. I think it was around $100.

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Old 09-19-2007, 08:30 PM
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Posted By: Brian McQueen

This set, like many others, is one where you should be able to get a decent number of the cards without too much strain. There's usually a couple on Ebay at any given time. However, where you really hit a wall here is with the high numbered cards which are all shortprints. Alexander (rookie) and Johnson are always immensely popular with collectors and don't come up that often. When they do, competition is pretty fierce. A couple of the shortprints are also of the variety that only show up once every couple years or so - if not less often than that. I'm not the biggest expert on this set and would certainly defer to others such as Bill Cornell for a better analysis, but it seems to me as though a couple of the shortprints in particular may be so few in number that there may actually not be enough cards to go around as you get to the end of completing this set.

**edited to add scan of one of my t222s...**

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Posted By: Rob Dewolf

I'll preface this statement by saying that by no means am I an expert on T222s, and in fact have interest in only a small subset of the set: Cleveland players. I think that all of the Cleveland players in the set (of which there are three, maybe four?) are the short prints of which Brian speaks. For the past two-plus years I've been looking for any Cleveland player to add to my collection and had come up empty until just this past Sunday. This included scouring the National this past summer and tracking eBay.

This is the Cleveland player I picked up on eBay.

So if this price for what I think is a short-printed card, graded only "authentic," coupled with how long it took me to come across it, is any indication, completing the set seems like a pretty daunting task.

Again, take it for what it's worth, considering the source.



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Old 09-19-2007, 08:54 PM
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Rob - Congrats on winning the Leibold. I was the underbidder on the card and was hoping to cross it off my wantlist. It presents very well and doesn't seem to exhibit any of the creasing that t222s typically have. Terrific card!

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Old 09-19-2007, 09:04 PM
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf

Thanks, Brian.

I had been thinking that I should have added to my post that I was only one bid away from paying about $150 for the card, so maybe it should be considered that the selling price was somewhat artificial because it might have been the product of some shilling. So knowing you were the underbidder makes me feel better.

As for the grade, I totally get the paper remnants and such on the back, but there's another current thread about cards with a "1" grade that look like they've been put through the ringer. Given the lack of typical creasing -- as you point out -- I was certainly willing to put up with the back problems and the "A" grade.

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They are tough, especially in good condition. Here's my only one.

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