Consider an EPDG set....how tough is it ?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

If you really enjoy a challenge, and don't want to mortgage your house to complete a 524-card T206 set,
then try collecting a "sub-set" comprised of only El PRINCIPE de GALES cards. This T-brand is tough, but
do-able, and afford-able.
You do not have to worry about the "Big Six", or the 48 tough Southern Leaguers, or the 9 tough cards in
the 150-only Series.
In fact there are only 230 (to 250) cards available with this back. These numbers were confirmed from 3
different surveys.

The only "biggies" you need to acquire for this set are.....

Cobb (red portrait & bat off)
Johnson (portait & pitching)
Mathewson (white & dark caps)
CYoung (bare hand)

Wishing everyone a Happy Easter and a Happy Passover.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I have generated a list of 230 confirmed T206's with the El PRINCIPE de GALES backs.

Now that I am 90% complete on my Sovereign set, I am considering putting together a T206 set with
all EPDG backs. I have only 20 cards with this back.....but, I've always been intrigued by this brand.

If anyone else is interested, I can furnish them this list of 230 Subjects.
I don't think this list is the final count; but, I am confident that it is apporx. 90% complete.

We've had a great Thread (352 posts) on this topic about a year ago; and, we gained a lot of insight
into the T206's from it. So, all you serious T206 collectors, let's hear from you and what have to add
to this subject on this trip ?

Have a Joyous Easter and a Happy Passover.

TED Z

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Posted By: rob

Ted,

can you send me the list? I have no more than a few of them (maybe 3-5), but would be interested in seeing the "master list".

rgutheil@gmail.com

thanks,

rob

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Posted By: RayB

We have spoken about this topic before.
Please send me your list/spreadsheet if you don't mind. I've been dabbling lightly in these as well and am always looking to add cards. I don't have the financial muscle to push the effort very hard right now so would be interested to watch your progress if you do indeed decide to give it a go.
aja4rayb@msn.com
RayB




My EPDG Chase Blue (one of my favorite cards).

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your interest in the EPDG cards. I just completed my list of 230 EPDG backs; and,
presently it is in scratch sheet form,
I could mail you a copy of it, or if you want to wait, I will have it typed up and inputted into
my computer in a few days.

TED Z

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Ted, I am vicariously enjoying your T206 quest. Do you know of anyone who has attempted to put a master set together of T206? And if so is there anyone out there that you know of that is close to a complete master set?

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Posted By: Dave F

Ted,
Just curious besides the Sovereign's which other back sets you have already put together? Also curious your thoughts on how easy a American Beauty back set would be compared to an EPDG in terms of availability?

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Posted By: rob

ted

I will just wait until you post it...no problem.

rob

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The only guy I would venture to say that approached having a "Super Set" (or still has) would be Bill Heitman.
There are two other veteran collectors, that I know, who also have very large T206 collections that may be
close. But, I respect their privacy, so I will not identify them.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I cannot answer you since I haven't analyzed the American Beauty brand, as of yet. I plan to try to do
this for all 15 - T206 T-brands.

So, far I have done the research for the following T-brands.....

Piedmont
Sovereign
Broad Leaf 350
Polar Bear
El Principe de Gales

But, the real test of this research is assembing a real set (or subset). And, so far I can only prove the
Piedmont and Sovereign....having completed the Piedmont and very near completing the Sovereign.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted - Maybe Polar Bear would be a better next adventure for you...as to give me a little better head start on those EPDG's! wink;wink!
Looking forward to the list of possible EPDG's. I'll let you know for sure if I own anything that is not on it.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I'm debating it, and you are probably correct, regarding the Polar Bear's, if I want the easier
challenge. I have the most expensive 4 cards in the Polar Bear run....Demmitt, O'Hara and
the two Cobb's. However, as I found out doing the Sovereign set....it's all those numerous
commons that will be the real challenge.

Anyhow, thanks for the advice.

TED Z

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Posted By: barry arnold

Wishing you the best as you go for the EPDG, TRex.
There can't be a better ride!!!


all the best,

barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

You got me started on all this.....first the Piedmont, then the Sovereign, now (perhaps) the EPDG set.
I am "obsessed" with "taming" the Monster....and it's all your fault, ole buddy.

Retired means you can TINKER with these T206's; and when-EVER you retire you will have a CHANCE
to join me.

Best Regards....and did you get the Elberfeld ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Dave F

Ted...I do think it's a hell of an accomplishment to have gone after each of these sub-sets the way you have. I am curious though looking at your list why in the world haven't you yet went after the second easiest of all the backs, those good ol' fashioned Sweet Caporals?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

A T206 set of Sweet Caporal cards would not be as much of a challenge as the other brands.
Besides, I was hoping someone else would go for it. Of course, to call it 100% complete, you
need Plank and Wagner. And that depends on whether you do the Factory 25 version or the
Fac 30 cards.

The Sweet Cap. Factory 25 cards can present a real challenge, as there are many No-Prints
in this series. Anyhow, I am having more fun looking into the tougher brands.

TED Z

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Posted By: barry arnold

TRex

Great play on words,Ted.
I'm glad to play any part in your collecting accomplishments!
Many thanks for the kind words.

still no elberfeld, not even a Horner. keep me posted.

all the best,

barry

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Posted By: RayB

Speaking about "Tinker"ing around I was fortunate enough to scoop up the nice low grade SGC20 EPDG Tinker Portrait last night on the Bay. One step closer Ted. Thanks for the additional motivation.
Looking forward to the list.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Nice going on the Tinker and I'm happy to have encouraged you on the EPDG brand.

I'm on jury duty all week, so sorry to say, my EPDG list will not be posted this week.
Will try for next week.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
I've actually been at it as a side project to the "Monster" but have been stalled recently, on the "Monster" that is.
I am seriously considering reconfiguring my efforts to focus on "just" EPDG in part because it is my favorite of the T206 backs, partly because of the insane challenge (I like the fact that availability is limited; it keeps me from getting ahead of myself), and lastly to further the back branded research which Scot R. has so painstakingly put together and we have massaged here on the Boards in reference to this brand.
I am reasonbly certain this will work for me as a project going forward.
Once more, I'll look forward to your list. If you want to mail me the handwritten copy, I'd be happy to spreadsheet it.
aja4rayb@msn.com
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

RAY

Thanks for the offer.....lets see what kind of progress I make with the laptop, when time permits
at the courthouse. I will start typing tomorrow and post the 230 card list in two (or 3) segments
here.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Here is the list of the 1st group of 115 (of 230) cards confirmed with EPDG backs.

Abbott
Adkins
Ames (hds/hd)
Ball (NY)
Ball (Clev)
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Bates
Beaumont
Beck
Bender (port)
Bergen (bat)
Berger
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Bresnahan (port)
Bridwell (cap)
Bridwell (no cap)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arms fold)
Camnitz (arms side)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (red)
Chance (yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (blue)
Chase (pink)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (port)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minn)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criger
Davidson
Geo Davis
Delehanty (Wash)
Demmitt (NY)
Devore
Donlin (seat)
Donovan (port)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fldg)
Doolin
Dougherty (arms/air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evans
Evers (port)
Ewing
Fiene (port)
Fiene (throw)
Flanagan
Ford
Freeman
Frill
Fromme
Gandil
Ganley
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (port)
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsell
Herzog (NY)
Hemphill
Hinchman (Clev)
Hinchman (Tor)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howell (hands)
Hummell
Jackson
Jennings (port)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dance)
Johnson (port)
Johnson (pitch)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Joss (pitch)

The 2nd half of the list of confirmed EPDG backs will be posted tomorrow.

Everyone is welcome to add any EPDG backs that they have, that are not on this list.


TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Here's the additional EPDG cards

Karger
Keeler (port)
Kelley
Killian (pitch)
Kisinger
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove lo)
Konetchy (glove hi)
Kruger
Lajoie (throw)
Lajoie (bat)
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (port)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (throw)
Lindaman
Livingstone
Lord
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Lundgren (KC)
Maddox
Magee
Marquard (hds/side)
Mathewson (wh cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McIntyre (Bro/Chi
McLean
Miller (Pitt)
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Mullin (throw)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (port)
Myers (fldg)
Nattress
Needham
Nichols
Niles
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Leary (port)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Overall (port)
Overall (yel sky)
Owen
Payne
Pfeffer
Pfeister (throw)
Phillippe
Powell
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Raymond
Rhoades (hds/chest0
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Det)
Schlafly
Schlei (fldg)
Schulte (back)
Scott
Seymour (bat)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw
Shipke
Smith (Buff)
F. Smith (Chi)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt(port )
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (port)
Stovall (bat)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (Bos)
L. Tannehill
Tannehill (Wash)
Taylor
Thomas
Tinker (port)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Wagner (bat/left)
Wagner (bat/right)
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chi-port)
White (Chi-throw)
Wilhelm (arms/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (port)
Wright
CYoung (bare hand)
Zimmerman

Everyone is welcome to add any EPDG backs that they have, that are not on this list.

Thanks for checking your T206 cards and posting your inputs.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
Thanks for the list.
Would you mind emailing me and letting me know exactly how these have been confirmed as existing.
Thanks again.
aja4rayb@msn.com
RayB

I'll go through the one's I have to see if I have any that are not on the list.

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
After I transferred those names into a spreadsheet the count is 227. Is that right?
RayB

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Posted By: Dave F

Ray, I think it should be 230.

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Posted By: RayB

I did a copy and paste so I know I didn't leave any behind.
Ted can you cross check your list here against your scratch paper one more time?
Thanks.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In the process of typing them in I had to correct 3 or 4 of them as I double-checked
my homework.

The A - J list is 115 cards and the K - Z list is 112 cards.

And, I have been emailed 2 new inputs which I will add this w/e.

TED Z

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Ted,

I have White (Buffalo).

Scot

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Posted By: RayB

Ted - What are the two new inputs?

Scot - Thanks for the heads up on the J. White Buffalo.

I have the following EPDG's not on the original lists:

Bell Follow Thru
Crandall With Cap
Krause Portrait
Leifeld with Bat
Pfiester Seated

RayB

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Posted By: Joey

I have Hugh Duffy with a EPDG back. Did not see it on the original list.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Hey guys.....this is great.....keep the new EPDG inputs rolling.

We started with my list of 227....we have 8 new ones reported.

I originally predicted a count somewhere between 230 - 250.

The 250 number would be interesting....as it closely coincides with my recent post regarding the possible
number of POLAR BEAR backs. Both these T-brands appear on both 350 and 460 Series cards; therefore,
this comparison is not unusual.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
What are those two new inputs you had that you mentioned?. I am trying to keep a spreadsheet based on this thread as well.
RayB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

RAY

The two that were emailed to me are......

Bell (follow thru)
Bender (trees)

TED Z

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Posted By: Dan Koochin

you can add Rhoades right arm throwing...

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
I'll send you my list of known EPDG's when I get back from Vacation. Good luck on the new quest. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

Hi, I have Bradley with bat.

Rick

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Posted By: Addition

Ted,
I have a Sweeney(NY) with an EPDG.
Mike

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks guys, we have 11 new Subjects to add to the list EPDG cards.....

Bell (follow thru)
Bender (trees)
Bradley (bat)
Crandall (cap)
Duffy
Krause (port)
Leifield (bat)
Pfeister (sit)
Rhoades (throw)
Sweeney (NY)
White (Buff)

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Dated 4/14/07....Total confirmed EPDG cards = 238

Abbott
Adkins
Ames (hds/hd)
Ball (NY)
Ball (Clev)
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Bates
Beaumont
Beck
Bell (fol thru)
Bender (port)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Berger
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Bresnahan (port)
Bridwell (cap)
Bridwell (no cap)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arms fold)
Camnitz (arms side)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (red)
Chance (yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (blue)
Chase (pink)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chesbro
Cicotte
Clarke (port)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minn)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (no cap)
Crandall (cap)
Cravath
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criger
Davidson
Geo Davis
Delehanty (Wash)
Demmitt (NY)
Devore
Donlin (seat)
Donovan (port)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fldg)
Doolin
Dougherty (arms/air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evans
Evers (port)
Ewing
Fiene (port)
Fiene (throw)
Flanagan
Ford
Freeman
Frill
Fromme
Gandil
Ganley
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (port)
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsell
Herzog (NY)
Hemphill
Hinchman (Clev)
Hinchman (Tor)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howell (hands)
Hummell
Jackson
Jennings (port)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dance)
Johnson (port)
Johnson (pitch)
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Joss (pitch)
Karger
Keeler (port)
Kelley
Killian (pitch)
Kisinger
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove lo)
Konetchy (glove hi)
Krause (port)
Kruger
Lajoie (throw)
Lajoie (bat)
Lattimore
Lavender
Leach (port)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Leifield (throw)
Lindaman
Livingstone
Lord
Lumley
Lundgren (Cubs)
Lundgren (KC)
Maddox
Magee
Marquard (hds/side)
Mathewson (wh cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McIntyre (Bro/Chi
McLean
Miller (Pitt)
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Mullin (throw)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (port)
Myers (fldg)
Nattress
Needham
Nichols
Niles
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Leary (port)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Overall (port)
Overall (yel sky)
Owen
Payne
Pfeffer
Pfeister (sit)
Pfeister (throw)
Phillippe
Powell
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Raymond
Rhoades (hds/chest)
Rhoades (throw)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (port)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Det)
Schlafly
Schlei (fldg)
Schulte (back)
Scott
Seymour (bat)
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw
Shipke
Smith (Buff)
F. Smith (Chi)
Spade
Spencer
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt(port)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (port)
Stovall (bat)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Sweeney (Bos)
L. Tannehill
Tannehill (Wash)
Taylor
Thomas
Tinker (port)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Wagner (bat/left)
Wagner (bat/right)
Weimer
Wheat
White (Buff)
White (Chi-port)
White (Chi-throw)
Wilhelm (arms/chest)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (port)
Wright
CYoung (bare hand)
Zimmerman



TED Z

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

Ted- How do the EPdG #s break down by series-- how many had their 1st appearance in the 150, 350 and/or 460? The answer might bolster the 12 card sheet theory.

Judson

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Posted By: john/z28jd

I have Lobert to add to your list

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Posted By: ErikV

FYI, I've got an Ed Walsh that I don't see on your list.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your inputs and hopefully we'll get some more. I will update the list by end of week.

This brings the tally to 240 confirme EPDG cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Let's give it one more good ride.....please check out your T206 collections to see if you have any EPDG's
that are not on this 240-card list ?

Thanks,

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,
There is a confirmed Frank Baker on eBay now, albeit really low grade.
There is a Cy Young Portrait out on eBay now also.
RayB

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

Ted - Finally got a chance to scan my old records and came up with a few additions baseed on cards I've seen:

Abbaticchio (150 series), Bescher (Field), Dahlen (Bos), Donlin (bat), Evers (Chi), Herzog (Bos), Howard(Chi), Jordan (Bro)(both), Klienow (catch, NY), McGraw (port/cap), Sheckard (throw), Smith (Bro), and Willis (STL, both)

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks Ray and Judson

The list will be updared this weekend....the tally is now 257 confirmed EPDG cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: RayB

Ted,

Is 257 more than you expected?
Since these are real confirmed sitings; what is theoretical max number? Have you given that some thought?

Interested in your impressions.
RayB