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Old 07-05-2007, 11:03 AM
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Posted By: scott fandango

ANy Photo experts out there? this "photo" has a front surface similar to SPORTFLICS...if you run your finger over it, it makes the same sound...its either a plastic or coated linen surface....

any help would be appreciated...

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Old 07-05-2007, 11:23 AM
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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

The typed code on the back makes me think this is a print produced by George Burke or his successor George Brace, the Chicago photographers who did so many BB player photos. It would certainly be a later print from the negative-- could be from anytime between the 1940s and the 1970s-- but it's still a nice piece from a legendary photo archive, and actually produced by the original photographers.

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Old 07-05-2007, 11:26 AM
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Posted By: scott fandango

Thanks for your response.....

so you think the 1916 pencilmark was placed to deceive, or was it placed to date the photo?


ps...doesnt he have an evil look in his face?

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Old 07-05-2007, 11:37 AM
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Posted By: Mike

The 1916 was probably not done to deceive, simply as to when the photo was taken. It is a later photo. I don't have time to check right now, but it just be from the Burke studios. Nice shot of the instigator.

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Old 07-05-2007, 12:57 PM
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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

As Mike says, the date was just written on there to date when the negative was originally taken, not to imply a 1916 print. A lot of later Burke/Brace prints from earlier negatives have penciled dates.

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Old 07-05-2007, 01:39 PM
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Posted By: Mike

Be careful when buying Burke or Brace photos. Many of their original negatives were sold years later and their new ownwers reproduced the images. Although these prints are technically first generation photos, they are NOT considered vintage. Instead, due to the passage of time and the differing technologies of photo development, they are widely viewed as readily available, contemperary pieces with litle colletible value other than the price a souvenir reprint might bring.

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I'd have to see it in person to be sure, but it appears like the photo was physically made by George Burke. Though Burke usually stamped his name on his photos, the typing on back is exactly like the cataloging he used. I agree with Mike that it's not from 1916 but printed later. If it's by Burke, it would have been made circa 1930-40s. Burke died in the 1950s. In case you don't know, Burke is one of the most famous baseball photographers. He was the team photographer for the Cubs, White Sox and the NFL's Chicago Bears, and shot many of the images for the 1930s Goudey cards.

As far as the 'Sportflix' feel, I would have to see it in person. It could be surface cracking doe to age. Also, most of Burke's postcard sized photos have a matte finish.

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Posted By: 1939Vintage

look time lurker, first time poster. What you are describing is referred to as a "Satin Finish." Typically this is indicative of a photo that was printed during the lifetime of Burke although it is likely not from the year noted on the back.

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Posted By: scott fandango

the SPORTFLIC feel is defintely not from cracking or other aging...it is uniform throughout...it looks line a linen thread with a thin clear resin like coating....its NOT a traditional black and white photo with that glossy smooth sheen...

it sort of shows up on the Scan, in the matrix like apperance..

thanks for the input!

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Old 07-05-2007, 06:08 PM
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Posted By: Mike

Interesting story as to how Burke got his start.

In 1929, Cubs manager Joe McCarthy and catcher Gabby Hartnett were looking for the previous years photographer. They could only remember his last name, Burke, so they looked him up in the phone book. A listing creapt out at them, studio photographer George C. Burke, who's office was located near Wrigley field. Thus begun the baseball photography career of George Burke, who had no previous sports experience whatsoever, and thus ended the career of photographer Francis Burke - the Cubs time-honored official cameraman and an unwitting victim of mistaken identity.

Burke had a heart attack in 48, and died in 51.

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