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Old 09-08-2006, 10:15 PM
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz


I have read most of the previous e98 "Old Put" posts, and it seems like there is not much information known about this overprint. I am hoping that that has changed. Does anyone know...
What year was the stamp was applied?
Was it only applied to the e98's?
Who applied it?
How was it distributed?
Where was is distributed?
Why was the stamp applied to mainly red backgrounds?
How many are known to exist and who are the players?

Any information would be helpful. Thank you in advance for posting.

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Old 09-08-2006, 11:44 PM
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Posted By: Bob

Dan- The whole Old Put thing is quite the mystery. All I can chime in with is that to my knowledge, every card in the E98 set had at least one card owned by someone with an Old Put back except Walsh and Kling, I've never seen an Old Put Walsh or Kling. The most I ever saw of an individual player was Clarke- I owned one (until UPS lost it), Leon had one and there was one other out there. I believe there are 2 Cobbs. Caveat- There may be some guy in Cedar Rapids, Iowa who has never heard of the Net 54 Board or ebay or the National who has a whole set.
The only two I have ever seen which were on a different color background were Leon's blue Clarke and I believe one of the two Cobbs' is on a blue one (not positive). That's it, the rest are all on the same color. Dan that's just my 2 cents based on my own contacts and observations. I used to keep up closely with them but after UPS lost my card coming back from grading, I didn't have the heart for it anymore...
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Bob- I have never heard of a blue Cobb. Have you seen one? I know there was another OP that was blue, but I thought it was a common. Anyone wish to share a scan of any OP?

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Old Puts have been around for a long time in the hobby. Not much is really known about them except they sort of made a caramel card into a tobacco card. I used to say I had never seen another blue background Old Put but not too long ago I did see 1-2 more. The ones with the red backgrounds are far more common, although common is probably not a good word to use since all of them are quite scarce. All of the overprints are in the period purple ink..For some reason mostly HOF'ers are seen too but I don't think there's much reasoning behind that...regards

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The Bresnahan stamp looks black. Is it just the scan? What typ of premium does the stamp carry? The big book has them at approximately 2 times a standard e98, although the book is not as accurate as it once was. Any information at all is helpful. Thanks

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i don't own any...wish I did...I'd guess old put would multiply 8-10X.

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These come up so rarely it's hard to say exactly what they sell for. I think Pete is pretty close....although I paid about double for the blue background one as you almost never see them....The black looking overprint is indeed purple....

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Posted By: Richard

I don't own any either, but have seen a couple of them sell.

I think that a tiered multiplier applies just as in all rare backs:

commons and minor stars: 5-7x
HOFers: 3-4x

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

Found an "old Baseball" link. Unfortunately there is little info...

"More properly classified as an E-98 with an Old Put overprint on the back, I've listed it here, rather than with the E cards, for no good reason at all. Well, that's not true. It's very possible they were inserted into packs of Old Put Cigars and that would make it a legitimate tobacco issue. Can't really say how difficult they are. I don't think they are truly scarce, but interest is not all that great so finding them might be the real challenge. The date is based on E-98's issuance, which, as you can see in the checklist, I've been real accurate with (Hey, there's a reason these cards are un-cataloged--nobody knows nothing' about them!)."

Very interesting history on cards at:

http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/tcards.html





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The main two aspects of what makes "Old Puts" significant to me is that the stamp has been placed on an otherwise ANONYMOUS issue and that the stamp has NEVER BEEN FOUND ON ANOTHER ISSUE. The only other stamp that I know of that is only found on one issue is the Swift stamp.

Were they stamped at the factory?

Were they stamped by a retailer?

We may never know. I guess if we could find out when Old Put cigars were in full force, we could at least confirm the POSSIBILITY that Old Put is the issuer.

All of the red background Old Puts (I've personally only seen one blue background which is posted in this thread) have been stamped facing the same way. Perhaps the retailer had a stack of red and a stack of blue and went through with the stamper. Some Old Puts are lighter than others which tells me that they weren't put on at any factory, although it remains a possibility.

I think that there was probably some promotion that when you bought a cigar at the shop, the retailer gave you a stamped baseball card to go with it.

Why are there more hofers around? Because people held onto the popular players longer than the semi-popular players AND because the customer might've requested a certain player when he bought his cigar.

I don't know how many exist, but would guess that some players don't exist at all and other players may only have one example floating around.

It would be very interesting to me to one day try to document all of the players found with an Old Put back, but I imagine there are a few in private collections. If anyone has another blue backed Old Put, I'd love to hear about it.

Anyways, it's fun to theorize on these.

Rob

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