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Old 04-02-2005, 07:40 PM
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Posted By: PASJD

Some of the text is printed for ease of reading. Many Hall of Famers in the set predating their "rookie" cards, apparently, not just Jackie.

"They are found with either square or rounded corners (hobby publications do not speculate about why), and backs are blank. It has been suggested that these cards were distributed separately from the company's loves of bread, since the cards are rarely found with tell-tale signs of damage caused by the odd shape of bread.

Some collectors refer to the set as "Homogenized Bond Bread," and that designation gets this set confused with the 1947 Bond Bread set. Both sets feature a smilar design and are the same size. Bond Bread cards also have rounded corners. Both sets feature Jackie Robinson cards, however, there is advertising on the back of Bond Bread cards. The biggest difference is that while all 13 of the cards in the Bond Bread set feature Robinson, he is only one of 48 subjects in the Homogenized set. The set features 44 baseball players and four boxers.

Twelve of the 44 baseball players in the set are Hall of Famers, and the cards of Yogi Berra, Ralph Kiner, Stan Musial, Phil Rizzuto, Jackie Robinson and Enos Slughter predate the Bowman and Leaf cards called "rookie cards" by some collectors. Despite the historical significance of the set and the attractive cards, they haven't really caught on with collectors. There are some known reprints floating around the hobby -- some "graded" by unscrupulous and little-known companies -- while a large cache of twenty-four of the set's cards discoverd in the 1980s keeps these cards easily found in hobby circles."

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Peter:

I saw that, and while most hobby publications may not "speculate" as to why there are some out there with square corners...

Bob Lemke doesn't pull any punches in his 2005 version of the big book. He makes it very clear that the cards originally came with ONLY the rounded corners.

BUT...

if someone can produce a 1947 Bond Bread card #37 (like the one shown above) with GENUINE rounded corners...

then it would certainly be Jackie's rookie card.

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HOWEVER....

Mr. Lemke shows in his book the 24 cards in the set that have NEVER shown up with the counterfeit SQUARE corners...

and Jackie is NOT one of them.

Accordingly... it is entirely possible that ALL of the Jackie Robinson cards from this set were REPRINTS made in the early 1980's.

What we need is a checklist for this set from some hobby magazine from 1975 to see which cards were listed for the set back then.

It may be that only 24 cards existed... and then 24 more were ADDED to the checklist when they were thought to have been "discovered" in the 1980's... but in fact they were NOT REAL.

We do know that only 24 cards showed up with SQUARE corners in the 1980's. What we do NOT know is if ANY of those 24 cards EXISTED with round corners prior to that date.

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Just seems very strange that NOBODY has had a GENUINE Jackie Robinson card #37 from this set slabbed by PSA if it is such a valuable and historical card.

Makes it seem like NONE of his cards from this set pass the PSA test. Hmmmmmmmmm.

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Kit Young has a Musial on his website with square corners. He has been around a long time, maybe you should ask him.

http://www.kityoung.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=66469&Category_Code=BROIALL

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Hal,

I have a 1947 Bond Bread card of Sid Gordon (spelled Cid) on the card. It is one of the cards that was not reprinted, and can not be found with square corners. It also has period scrapbook removal on the back, so I know it is legitimate. The reason that I am writing this is that the rounded corners are hand cut. It is not a clean factory rounded corner like you can find on other sets. I would bet this would be the same for all of the authentic bond cards, which unfortunately would make it easy to take a reprint and make it look authentic.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

What's he going to do, Peter -- admit that he is trying to sell a reprint?



I need to hear something from the guys who were collecting these cards BEFORE the 1980's... like Lipsett and others.

Surely they would know if a Jackie Robinson card like this with rounded corners had EVER been seen from 1947 to 1980.

Barry: Got anyone you can turn to for these answers?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Thanks Andy!

No wonder PSA won't grade them ... they probably ALL look "hand-cut" and they shy away from that stuff.

You and I know this from our E107 Lajoie Type II experience.

SO... I guess the Robinson is his rookie... but there is a BIG RISK in buying one that you are buying a REPRINT.

SCARY.

No wonder most people gravitate towards the safer Leaf and Bowman cards.

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Has anyone checked the SGC population report?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I can't get it to open. Haven't been able to for days.

Can anyone else?

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Has it been definitively proven that the homogenized bond bread cards found in the 1980's were reprints? I didn't think it had been and thought someone from this board was going to try to compare the square edge cards to the "originals" to see if they help see printing differences.

Adam

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I would do it Adam... but I don't have a square OR a round version.

CAN SOMEONE VOLUNTEER???

We need to have one of the GENUINE round corner cards for comparison... so it has to be one of the 24 cards that did NOT show up in the 1980's. Lemke indicates these original cards with the (SP) designation in his book.

If anyone has one of these.... maybe we can find someone with a SQUARE corner card and get them together for some serious examination by an expert??

Please?

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