SOLD 1952 Topps Rosen & Reynolds conserved or altered you pick the adjective

[71buc]

Selling a pair of free range 1952 Topps that I paid to have altered/conserved a few years ago. I have included before and after pictures. The remnants of the work on the Rosen is more visible so I suppose you could call that evidence of alteration. The work done on Allie isn't as readily visible so perhaps that's conservation? Meh...you can call them whatever you want. Nonetheless, I'm asking $40.00 delivered for the pair via PayPal. If I recall that's what I paid for alteration/conservation. At that price they are probably just plain old cards and not considered assets.

[bks14sr]

Nicely conserved assets you got there. Are they red or black backs?

Thanks,
Bill

[71buc]

Red, I have a few other 52s that aren't for sale. I'm moving these just to see how disclosure of such work impacts a sale. I wonder if I actually wanted to sell the others (unaltered) would buyers be suspicious that they too suffered the same fate because I disclosed the work on these two?

[bks14sr]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Red, I have a few other 52s that aren't for sale. I'm moving these just to see how disclosure of such work impacts a sale. I wonder if I actually wanted to sell the others (unaltered) would buyers be suspicious that they too suffered the same fate because I disclosed the work on these two?

I think disclosure is key. Honestly, I'd buy the Rosen if it were a black back. It's a clean card, good price, and it would fill a hole in my set. I'd steer away for a higher end card.

As far as perception of others towards your future sales, I doubt there'd be ill effect. Although, there are some seriously good detectives out there and this thread could be used to build a case. Ut oh, does that mean I'm now suspect too?!

[71buc]

I purchased three of these "Sharp" cards at a local card store a number of years ago. The third was a Luke Easter that got mangled in the ink removal process. The collection they originated from all had writting on them. I was interested in a Berra, Dickey, and Feller from the group. I bought the Rosen, Reynolds, and Easter fairly cheaply. I wanted to gauge how effective such services were before I committed to the more expensive cards. Although the work was well done on the the two survivors I decided not to purchase the pricier cards. I had no intention of grading them and feared the risk outweighed the reward. That coupled with my lack of interest in the cleaned cards dissuaded me. Although I think the two cards I'm selling are pretty I have no attachment to them as i know their history.

I am an honest guy and cleaning these felt somewhat dishonest. I know that although I disclosed their past future owners may not be so scrupulous. If they they ever get slabbed I'm sure that history would evaporate. If TPG companies disclosed their history on their slips they probably would move just as fast as they are now.

[Bram99]

I'd pay $15 to $20 for the Reynolds. I promise not to send the card to a grader - I'm just a collector of Allie P. Reynolds cards. I can't get enough of them. I like the story.

Tony

[Promethius88]

I would pay $40 for the pair if they are still available. If the Reynolds is not available, I would take the Rosen. It/they would not be to send in for grading or for resale but for education. Just to have a card you can refer to that you know has been "restored/conserved/whatever" would be good to have on hand.
Tim

[Republicaninmass]

A centered Rosen black back, well that would be a rare find even if conserved.

[calvindog]

Great thread, I laughed out loud for real.

It’s such a shame the assets were conserved but not conserved and Mosered. You could have then sold them through PWCC and done something good for the hobby.

[irv]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Selling a pair of free range 1952 Topps that I paid to have altered/conserved a few years ago. I have included before and after pictures. The remnants of the work on the Rosen is more visible so I suppose you could call that evidence of alteration. The work done on Allie isn't as readily visible so perhaps that's conservation? Meh...you can call them whatever you want. Nonetheless, I'm asking $40.00 delivered for the pair via PayPal. If I recall that's what I paid for alteration/conservation. At that price they are probably just plain old cards and not considered assets.

I am curious, and surprised the ink was able to be removed, but I am wondering if the impression from the pen still remains or was that somehow removed as well?

Originally Posted by calvindog

Great thread, I laughed out loud for real.

It’s such a shame the assets were conserved but not conserved and Mosered. You could have then sold them through PWCC and done something good for the hobby.

[71buc]

There were no indentations as the ink used was not ballpoint. I was told that such ink lays on the card's surface which apparently makes it easier to remove. I assume some sort of masking agent was used to protect the rest of the card as the only evidence of the removal is a slight loss of gloss where the ink was.

I have never paid a TPG to grade/slab a card. I certainly was going to start with this pair.

I wonder if this service could be used to remove all that bad ink on those forged T206s? That would be restoration I could accept provided it was disclosed.