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Old 11-27-2017, 08:17 PM
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What if induction into the Hall of Fame wasn’t a permanent honor?

What if there was only room on the wall for a certain number (100, 150, 200, ???) of plaques., the number being less than or equal to the current honorees.

Assume that the voting occurred annually as it does now, but .............
For each new member selected, one current member would have to be deselected or removed.

We tend to discuss constantly who should be in the Hall, as well as who shouldn’t be in the Hall, so why not have a system that addresses both issues.

So initial selection would represent a “temporary” induction if you will.

After a certain number of years a member could then qualify for “permanent” status if he is not deselected for say fifty years.

Once permanent they would be moved to a room of permanent enshrinement and a new space would be opened up on the wall for another temporary inductee.

Overall and with time the Hall of Fame would still grow, but after a generation or two players inducted who were marginal could be replaced before attaining permanent status.

How to start the new system presents some logistical problems, but they could solved. Perhaps a vote on current members with the bottom 100 vote getters being demoted to temporary status with the potential of being tempted by a new inductee, but also with the opportunity to advance to permanent status as well.

Nothing like this will ever happen. What do you think though? How would you change the Hall? Think outside the box. Should the worst player in the Hall be considered on the bubble, when a new stud comes along?

Have at it.
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:43 PM
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Interesting concept. I'm not one who has a problem with the size of the Hall, so for me I don't see the purpose.

A few thoughts:
- I think it would be pretty hurtful if a living player was deselected. I know the goal of the Hall is not to worry about people's feelings, but that seems pretty cool
- Removing people would reduce the meaning of being elected
- Any time people are deselected it basically removes the credibility of the electing body
- I feel like the benefits you are looking for could be done by creating an "inner-circle HOF". Using a similar mechanism it could be limited to 30 players (or whatever number). It would also give everyone a chance to reexamine the careers of the greatest players ever, and make for a lot of fun conversation.

I think I've talked myself into the inner circle idea.
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What if there was only room on the wall for a certain number (100, 150, 200, ???) plagues?

150, man that's a lot of Plagues. The Egyptians were only visited with, like, 7, right?

OK, now I'll actually read the post, just had to get that out of the way.
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Interesting idea, but I think the idea of de-selecting makes the hall less of an honor which probably runs contrary to your goal.

My big hall idea has been posted here before, with all the debate about steroids and even the dumb debate about unanimous selections there a simple method which honors the current system while alleviating some of these issues. Every voter can score a candidate from 0 to 10. to be elected you have to receive 75% of the total points available. For instance if there are 200 voters you need 1500 points for enshrinement.

To me this is a great solution for the problems mentioned above.

Example 1: you are a voter who hates the steroid era, but really there's no denying that Bonds was a likely HOF'er before he ever touched the stuff, Give him 7 points. You're saying that you have reservations without torpedoing him completely and there will likely be enough 8's, 9's and 10's to get a deserving candidate over the hump.

Example 2: Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron weren't unanimous so by God nobody will be on your watch. Instead of being left in the indefensible position of leaving Greg Maddux off your ballot entirely (really?) maybe you say, "Hey he's an obvious HOF'er, and the greatest pitcher of his era, but he's no Cy Young or Walter Johnson." Score him a 9 and voila he's not a perfect score but you aren't left looking like a jackass for leaving him off your ballot merely to ensure he doesn't score a unanimous induction.

It adds a layer of bragging rights for high scores, but makes a perfect score practically impossible, and defensibly so, while still retaining the flavor of the 75% threshold. It also makes shifts in perception more logical and incremental than a binary Yes/No system. Never understand how a guy gradually gains votes for 15 (now 10) years. What did he have a good season? But with this scoring method, lets say you go back and revisit Bert Blyleven, and realize you didn't know how much better than the average schmoe he was until you started looking at the advanced stats. So you upgrade him from a 6 to a 7 or 8. even though that is in essence switching from a No, to a Maybe or a Yes, it's a smaller leap than just flipping the switch.
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You're either a Hall of Famer or you're not. Plain and simple. Once you're in, you're in for good. There's a reason why there are committees for different eras - the game has changed and evolved over the years. Walter Johnson only through about 80-90 mph, and would most likely get crushed in today's game.
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This is the approach ESPN has taken. They have 100 slots and 25 honorable mentions. Pretty skewed toward juicers, but they really do update annually. Oh, and Campy's nowhere to be found!

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What if there was only room on the wall for a certain number (100, 150, 200, ???) plagues., the number being less than or equal to the current honorees.
It only took 10 to free the Hebrew slaves. Do we really need that many?
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It only took 10 to free the Hebrew slaves. Do we really need that many?
I beat you to that joke
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Whether due to spellcheck or merely a typo, I understand the difference between a plague and a plaque and have corrected the original post.

That post is by no means a formal proposal and can be easily critiqued and should be, but that is not the only intent of floating my concept.

My hope is that you present different ideas or concepts as well about how the Hall of Fame could be changed for the better. To that end I would invite you to “Float Your Own Concept” as I have done.

Our discussions about the Hall and who should be there and who shouldn’t are rightly made in the construct and framework of the Hall as it exists.

This thread is merely a fantasy about how that framework could possibly be changed and what the ramifications of that change would be.
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If I were rebuilding from scratch, I would organize the plaques by era and have two levels of enshrinement.

Example: For dead ball era, the Immortals would include Cobb, Wagner, Mathewson, etc. Then the Stars of the Era would include Baker, Tinker, etc.

This would create a place for the Cooperstown fence-sitters (Garvey, Whitaker, Murphy as Stars of the 70s and 80s), a way to demote some bad HOF selections (Slaughter, Grimes, Selig) without throwing away the plaque, and I suppose even create a path for Rose, Clemens, Shoeless Joe, and other scandal-tainted players.

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So, why do we have a Hall Of Fame? The players are paid well, they are famous, and they are able to have a job that most of us can only dream about. Why do we need a HOF? What is the purpose of a HOF? I read the posts about who "deserves" to be in and about the players who are in that shouldn't be in, but I don't really care.

If the HOF suddenly went out of business, would 1% of Americans care?

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