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Old 11-27-2017, 09:21 AM
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Default Larry Doyle and the HOF

Not necessarily saying he SHOULD be in, but boy a LOT of similar players from his era ARE in. Heavily associated with one team (and a New York team at that) won an MVP, was well liked by his peers and definitely an above average ballplayer. Had some pop for the dead ball era, especially for a second baseman. Odd there's no real reason I can find for him retiring at 33, no injury or illness and he put up decent numbers in his final two seasons. Lots of guys like him (and frankly more than a few who were considerably worse!) were voted in by their buddies on Old Timers Ballots, wonder why not Doyle?
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:33 AM
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Scott I think you are right on Doyle, I think if he would have played 2 more solid years, he would be in the Hall---He did have some Home Run power for that era , he hit 13 Homers in 1922 also had 25 Triples---I think most everybody that votes today has forgot about him. Anyway a very interesting player.
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Doyle is certainly the most deserving second baseman from that era, but there is a fairly long list of more deserving second basemen from subsequent generations who deserve enshrinement before he were to get in IMHO.

Grich, Whitaker, Randolph, Kent among others.

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I don't have an answer as to why he never got in, but I can share some visuals to the thread:




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Old 11-27-2017, 10:17 AM
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I've always thought he was a HOFer. He was the best second basemen in his league for pretty much his entire career. When you're the best player at your position for your generation, I don't see why that wouldn't merit a HOF induction.

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Old 11-27-2017, 10:44 AM
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From baseball-reference.com - http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/3b7d0b88

He missed much of the 1918 season with illness but regained his starting position the next year, appearing in 100 games at second base and batting .289 with seven home runs. The 33-year-old Doyle remained a regular in 1920, closing out his major-league career by batting .285 in 137 games.

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It also says in this brief bio he and Mathewson watched the stock market closely, and Doyle bought real estate in Florida, so perhaps he was financially set and no longer needed the baseball money. He also turned down a 2 year, $27K contact to jump to the Federal League, to stay with the Giants for $8000, so perhaps he retired early due to illness, and being financially well off.
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Doyle also overcame tuberculosis. The following PBS documentary mentions him at the end of the presentation (50 minutes in):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe.../films/plague/
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Larry Doyle is definitely a border-line HOFer, in my opinion though I dont know what to think. On one hand he has some very impressive statistics and one of the all time giants greats. On the other, it seems to me that he only just barely is better than some of the weaker HOF members (i.e Travis Jackson), and I'm against overcrowding the hall too much. Here are some stats though for those unfamiliar with Doyle:

-1912 NL MVP
-1911 placed 3rd for NL MVP
-10th career WAR for NY Giants
-Should have got a MVP mention for his 1915 season
-298 career SB
-4th career triples giants franchise
-2nd for career sacrifice hits giants
-25 triple season

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I know WAR and other advanced stats are supposed to eliminate the discussions of "in their day" but that discussion is no more apt than when discussing Doyle. Can anyone name one NL second baseman who had a better career than Larry Doyle at the time that his career was complete? I don't think you can. So while Doyle might have stats comparable to Travis Jackson, no one had stats comparable to Doyle while he was on the field. That says something to me.

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