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Old 06-01-2018, 06:57 AM
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I sold that one to Jantz. Sad to think I won't be seeing him again.[/quote]

Hi Ed,

Yes I remember when he posted it that he said he had bought it off you.

Jantz was one of those few people that you never heard anyone
that had anything bad to say about him. I used to meet up with him at
all the nationals that I went to and I've lost interest in going
this year after hearing about his passing.
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Continuing on the "12 factor" theme. There are also some subtle examples of the "12 factor" regarding the printing of T206 backs in certain Series.
One example that comes to mind is the EPDG cards in the 350 Series. Exactly 108 subjects were printed with the EPDG back. Therefore, creating a
possible sheet which is formatted with 12 cards across by 9 rows down.

350 Series .................... 108 subjects printed with EPDG backs

Abbott
Anderson
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Beck
Bender (trees)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Campbell
Casey
Chance (yellow portrait)

Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minneapolis)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Demmitt (New York)
Dineen
Joe Doyle (arms over head)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Easterly
Egan
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)

Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Freeman
Fromme
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Hoffman (Providence)
Hulswitt
Jackson
Kelley
Kisinger

Kleinow (catching-NY)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lattimore
Lavender
Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McLean
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes

Oberlin
Pfeister (seated)
Phillippe
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Rudolph
Schlafly
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Smith (Buffalo)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Stanage
Stephens
Sweeney (Boston)
Jesse Tannehill

Taylor
Thomas
Titus
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Zimmerman






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Thanks for continuing to post all of this great information Ted. It is nice to have a thread at the top of the board that deals with something other than complaining.

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Hi Bryan

I appreciate the complimentary words, good buddy.


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In post #25 here, I present the A-B-C-D connection. ALC printed these T206 backs during the Summer of 1910. Theoretically, 190 subjects in the 350 Series
were printed with each of these 4 backs. The AMERICAN BEAUTY and CYCLE backs have been confirmed with all 190 subjects. The tougher BROAD LEAF back
has (so far) been confirmed with 177 subjects. And, the rare DRUM back has (so far) been confirmed with 151 (350 Series) subjects.






Here's the current list of the 177 subjects which have been confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 350 back:

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan (bat)

Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Eddie Collins
Congalton
Cravath
Cree

Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Jack Dunn (Baltimore)
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Egan
Engle
Evers (yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher

Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)

Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone

Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)

Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Poland

Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr

Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielman
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman


Hey guys,
Let's see some BROAD LEAF 350 cards. Especially, if you have one that does not appear on this list. I expect that eventually we'll find the 13 missing BL 350 guys.


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Hi Ted, I hope all is well.

Totally off-topic, so please forgive me. I notice lately on ebay there are many Brown Hindus and Black Lenox (what is plural of Lenox??), that have paper loss on the back from where it seems the cards we glued to an album. My gut is that many of these cards must have come from the same collection, because its just too coincidental that this many of these backs are around at the same time, all with back damage. So, two questions:

1. Was there ever a large find of Broen Hindus or Black Lenox that all had back damage?

2. Were Brown Hindus and Black Lenox only released in certain parts of the country (like I think Drum and Nadja (in e cards) was St. Louis?
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Hi Ted,

So, two questions:

1. Was there ever a large find of Broen Hindus or Black Lenox that all had back damage?

2. Were Brown Hindus and Black Lenox only released in certain parts of the country (like I think Drum and Nadja (in e cards) was St. Louis?
#1......Most LENOX cards that I have, or have seen, don't have back damage.
Brown HIMDU cards occasionally are found with back damage. Shown here is
the last remaining one I have from a lot of brown HINDU's with back damage
that I picked up some years ago.


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#2.....Factory #30 in New York manufactured the LENOX brand. LENOX brand
tobacco products were mainly marketed in the New York area & New England.


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Continuing on with the BROAD LEAF 350 (BL 350) theme....certain T206's with BL 350 backs are extremely rare. Much more rare than
a good majority of the T206's with the BL 350 backs. An excellent example of this is my blue Chase BL 350 card. I traded for this card
in 1990 with my old buddy, Ralph. Ralph was great at finding rare T206 front/back combos in his neck of the woods (the Great Smoky
Mountains region).

This BL 350 blue Chase card was the only known one for many years. It's my understanding that another one was recently discovered.
Although, I have not seen it yet. Furthermore, PSA and SGC pop reports do not indicate any blue Chase / BL 350 cards graded.





If a DRUM card of Mr. Chase ever shows up, I will have a chance to complete this A-B-C-C-D sub-set.


The following 13 subjects have yet to be confirmed with BL 350 backs. I expect these cards will eventually be discovered.

Atz
Brashear
Carr
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Easterly
Ferguson
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGann
Pickering
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Stephens


So, come on guys, show-off your BL 350 cards. And perhaps, some one on this forum may come up with one of these missing 13 guys.



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Old 06-04-2018, 09:27 PM
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Here are Two Blue Chase Broad Leaf 350's that are graded
by PSA Ted.

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Abbott is #1 -------------alphabetically at least.
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Abbott is #1 -------------alphabetically at least.

Hey Frank

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Abbott.....thanks for posting.

Excuse me for correcting you, but #1 is actually Abbaticchio.



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Here are Two Blue Chase Broad Leaf 350's that are graded
by PSA Ted.

Attachment 318482

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Hi Pat
Thanks for posting the BROAD LEAF 350 blue Chase cards.

But, I don't see these two cards listed in the PSA pop report data ? ?



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My sole BL 350; it now resides in an SGC 55 case.
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Hi Ryan

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Evers.

and,

I'll add to these 2 guys to our gallery of BROAD LEAF 350 cards......



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Here is my only Broadleaf.
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Hey Frank

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Abbott.....thanks for posting.

Excuse me for correcting you, but #1 is actually Abbaticchio.

Well Ted, on your list of 177 possibles Abbott is #1. Mr. Abbaticchio is not on the

list.
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Abbott is #1 -------------alphabetically at least.

Frank, good buddy, you are absolutely correct.

Don't mind me....it's been a long day


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I recently found a Frank Chance portrait yellow Broad Leaf 350 in a collection purchased. It is at PSA right now. Grade should have popped already, still waiting. PSA pop report shows only 1 ever graded.
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Hey Frank

Great looking BROAD LEAF 350 Abbott.....thanks for posting.

Excuse me for correcting you, but #1 is actually Abbaticchio.






Hi Pat
Thanks for posting the BROAD LEAF 350 blue Chase cards.

But, I don't see these two cards listed in the PSA pop report data ? ?



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Hi Ted,

They're in the pop reports maybe it's whatever browser you're using.

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Hi Ted,

They're in the pop reports maybe it's whatever browser you're using.

Attachment 318618

Hi Pat

Thanks for the current PSA pop report data.

I guess I've been clicking on an old PSA link.

Please email me the PSA link you are using.

tedzan11@comcast.net

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Good looking BROAD LEAF 350 Kruger....thanks for posting it.


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Just a friendly bump, showing off another BL 350 of mine. So, let's see some more of your BL 350 cards.


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I don't know why these came out different sizes:


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Beautiful Broad Leafs guys. Love that Mullen!
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Just posting my McGinley in order to pop this to the top of the Net54 page.
And perhaps, we'll have some more members of this forum displaying their
BROAD LEAF 350 cards.





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Can you show the fronts of those nine BROAD LEAF 350 cards ?

Or, at least tell us which T206's these 9 cards are ?

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Hey guys

It's important to show the fronts of your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....or, at least tell us which T206 guys are their fronts.

Recall, that we are also interested in finding any of the missing 13 guys that would complete this 190 card run.

Listed here are the missing 13 subjects we are looking to find with BROAD LEAF 350 backs......

Atz
Brashear
Carr
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Easterly
Ferguson
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGann
Pickering
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Stephens

Well, having said all this....show us some more of your BROAD LEAF 350 cards.

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I'm in no way well versed on the t206 set though I have been collecting it for a few years(monster number around 400 or so) and a little while back I wanted to add more disappointment to my life and began a Tolstoi sub set which I am about 70 cards into.....and one thing I have noticed is out of those 70 cards roughly 50 of them have the ghost image of the Tolstoi back showing on the front of the card, far more rate of occurrence than other backs it's seems and it made me wonder....why?

What was different....did they use a different ink that dried slower? Did the guy that moved the sheets just not care about his job anymore? Was the ink used similar to newspaper ink and possibly a collector stacked them together in a humid area and it led to the ink bleeding onto the card behind it, a wet transfer but in an attic? Am I just imagining this whole thing?

I have noticed I have zero ghost images on any card with a red background.

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3 1 40701092 GOOD 2 1909-11 T206 Broad Leaf 350 Frank Chance Portrait-Yellow

Grade just posted, only the 2nd PSA card graded. Small light spot on back that has paper loss, otherwise looks like 4+

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I'm in no way well versed on the t206 set though I have been collecting it for a few years(monster number around 400 or so) and a little while back I wanted to add more disappointment to my life and began a Tolstoi sub set which I am about 70 cards into.....and one thing I have noticed is out of those 70 cards roughly 50 of them have the ghost image of the Tolstoi back showing on the front of the card, far more rate of occurrence than other backs it's seems and it made me wonder....why?

What was different....did they use a different ink that dried slower? Did the guy that moved the sheets just not care about his job anymore? Was the ink used similar to newspaper ink and possibly a collector stacked them together in a humid area and it led to the ink bleeding onto the card behind it, a wet transfer but in an attic? Am I just imagining this whole thing?

I have noticed I have zero ghost images on any card with a red background.
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I do believe that is you started a NeW Thread Wit this as a Topic...
"TOLSTOI BLACK INK QUESTION"

or one to your more liking
The T206 Gents Will Arise to the Occasion!!!

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I'm in no way well versed on the t206 set though I have been collecting it for a few years(monster number around 400 or so) and a little while back I wanted to add more disappointment to my life and began a Tolstoi sub set which I am about 70 cards into.....and one thing I have noticed is out of those 70 cards roughly 50 of them have the ghost image of the Tolstoi back showing on the front of the card, far more rate of occurrence than other backs it's seems and it made me wonder....why?

What was different....did they use a different ink that dried slower? Did the guy that moved the sheets just not care about his job anymore? Was the ink used similar to newspaper ink and possibly a collector stacked them together in a humid area and it led to the ink bleeding onto the card behind it, a wet transfer but in an attic? Am I just imagining this whole thing?

I have noticed I have zero ghost images on any card with a red background.

Hi Dpoolem3

Welcome to the club.

Stacking these 108 year old cards together in a humid area (attic or otherwise) would not result in the ink bleeding onto the card behind it.

Would you mind listing these 50 cards in your collection that have this wet-ink "Tolstoi" transfer image on their fronts ?

I have an idea of how this occurred and I'm looking for a pattern in these cards that may tell us why.


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Hi Dpoolem3

Welcome to the club.

Stacking these 108 year old cards together in a humid area (attic or otherwise) would not result in the ink bleeding onto the card behind it.

Would you mind listing these 50 cards in your collection that have this wet-ink "Tolstoi" transfer image on their fronts ?

I have an idea of how this occurred and I'm looking for a pattern in these cards that may tell us why.


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Having a yard sale this morning, as soon as I'm done I will get them out of the safe and post a list of each card and either yes or no in regards to the wst. Realistically it's going to be about half and half probably. I also have 2 Tolstoi's that I bought from separate people that were in the same box at one point because both have a water stain in the exact same area like they were stored upright and water got into whatever they were in and stained both cards(of the same player) in the exact same spot. Be after lunch but I'll have the list posted up by then.
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Having a yard sale this morning, as soon as I'm done I will get them out of the safe and post a list of each card and either yes or no in regards to the wst. Realistically it's going to be about half and half probably. I also have 2 Tolstoi's that I bought from separate people that were in the same box at one point because both have a water stain in the exact same area like they were stored upright and water got into whatever they were in and stained both cards(of the same player) in the exact same spot. Be after lunch but I'll have the list posted up by then.

Hi Dpoolem3

When you get a chance, could you provide a list of only the wet-ink "Tolstoi" transfer cards you have.

It's not necessary to list all your Tolstoi cards.


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Hi Luke

Thanks for posting your BROAD LEAF cards.

I like the Willett....I'm doing an A-B-C-C-D run of his cards.


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Due to their very close affiliation, I refer to these 350 Series T206's as the A-B-C-D connection


Time to switch off to a side-track in order to compare similar printing patterns between the T206 & T205 sets. In the Summer of 1910, American Lithographic (ALC)
introduced a new set of T-brands (AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, and DRUM). My research shows that ALC printed 190 subjects from the 350 series with
each of these 4 backs. I like the similar stylistic design of these backs, and I refer to this pattern as the "A-B-C-D connection". For more info check-out thread......
T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"


In 1911, when ALC was producing the T205 cards, they repeated the A-B-C-D connection for 32 subjects in this set. More info regarding this, check-out this theory
presented on this forum in a November 2014 thread....... T205 DRUM vs HINDU......


T205 A=B=C=D pattern

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The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. NOTE that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


T205 A-B-C-D connection.......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 subjects in bold letters have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


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Hey guys,
If perhaps you may have any one of these 5 missing DRUM cards....please by all means chime in here. Especially, if you have Huggins or Lobert.



Furthermore, after completing my 209-card T205 set [including the Hoblitzell (no stats)]......I continued my T205 "hunt" by forming these A-B-C-D sub-sets.
Here is an example of my favorite......








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Lake no ball Y
Ball Y
Elberfield Y
J Collins N
H Smith N
Camnitz arm side N
Krause N
Davidson N
Ames hands above head N
Chance yellow N
Cobb red N
Rucker N
Doyle w bat Y
Sheckard glove show Y
McQuillan Y
Devore Y
Magee N
Rucker N
Milan Y
Pelty vertical Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Bergen catching Y
Shannon N
Manning pitching N
Campell N
O'Leary hands knees Y
Wiltse pitching N
Rudolph N
Pfeffer Y
Overall Y
Needham N
Stovall bat Y
Sheckard N
Ferguson N
Ferguson N
Stahl N
Donlin N
McIntyre N
Street N
Street N
Dygert N
Huggins Y
Pfeffer N
O'Leary knees N
Lord N
Perring Y
Ford N
Geyer Y
Reulbach Y
Ames N

So like I said..I have 20 wst out of my 50 Tolstois...meh close enough for government work.

How does Tolstoi compare to other brands as far as wst's, seem more common with Tolstoi.
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Hi Dpoolem3

Here's the break-down of your YES cards with respect to the series they were printed in.

I was looking for a consistent series pattern to explain your Tolstoi wet ink transfers.
And, there really doesn't appear to be a pattern.

350-only series
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Huggins
Milan
Perring

350/460 series
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Doyle w bat Y
Elberfield Y
Lake no ball Y
McQuillan Y
O'Leary hands knees Y
Overall Y (yellow sky) ........ ?
Pelty vertical Y
Reulbach Y

460-only series
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Ball
Bergen catching Y
Devore Y
Geyer Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Overall (blue sky) .............. ?
Pfeffer Y
Sheckard glove show Y
Stovall bat Y

By the way, which Overall card do you have listed ? ?


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Hi Dpoolem3

Here's the break-down of your YES cards with respect to the series they were printed in.

I was looking for a consistent series pattern to explain your Tolstoi wet ink transfers.
And, there really doesn't appear to be a pattern.

350-only series
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Huggins
Milan
Perring

350/460 series
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Doyle w bat Y
Elberfield Y
Lake no ball Y
McQuillan Y
O'Leary hands knees Y
Overall Y (yellow sky) ........ ?
Pelty vertical Y
Reulbach Y

460-only series
-----------------
Ball
Bergen catching Y
Devore Y
Geyer Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Overall (blue sky) .............. ?
Pfeffer Y
Sheckard glove show Y
Stovall bat Y

By the way, which Overall card do you have listed ? ?


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.. v ................................ 19" x 24" standard size sheet ...................................v

.... Simulated sheet of the T206 "Exclusive 12" subjects in the 460-only series


I refer to the Minor Leaguers as the Exclusive 12 of the T205 set. As is obvious, their front designs differ considerably from the Major League subjects in the T205 set.
These cards were printed at the tail-end of the T205 production run in the Fall/Winter of 1911. This timeline is evident from the bio descriptions on the backs of these
cards. And, they were printed with only two T-brand advertisements on their backs....either HASSAN or POLAR BEAR.

Illustrated here is my concept of a printed sheet of 96 cards which fit on a 19" x 24" standard size cardboard sheet of that era.

T205 Minor Leaguers (12 subjects)













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That T205 Minor League concept sheet is eye candy for sure man!
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Hi Andy

Love your avatar....brings back memories of the grand ole Ft. Washington Show days when we first met.

If I recall correctly, on the front of the HINDU card is Doc Powers.

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Good memory Ted. Wow. You're right about Powers. And I still think you gave me a heck of a deal on that Hindu.

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Thanks for posting those horizontal mis-cut T206's.

Many years ago I saw a horizontal mis-cut T206 with the Chance (yellow portrait) adjacent to the red Cobb.


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That is exactly the mis-cut Chance/Cobb I referred to in Post #398.

Thanks Chris for posting it.

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