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Ron -- sounds good. I too will keep my eye out for twins!

Pat -- theoretically, yes. If I come across a no-print, I would like to add it to the collection. However, I have spent enough $$ on this endeavor, and I know the AB 460 will cost a pretty penny, so my interest in the no-print is somewhat directly connected to the price tag; although, I do have mucho to trade.
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Ryan, I love that Uzit. It's only a matter of time until you get that AB 460.
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Ted, and/or anyone who knows ...

In regards to the Elite 11, I have read through the threads and the posted thread from 2006-2007, but I was hoping you could help me understand a few things and educate me.

- What factors led to the exclusion of Conroy and Pastorius from the ranks of the Elite 11? Was it a matter of regionality? (Is that a word?)
I may have answered my own question on this. Both of these two cards also have SC350 confirmed backs, which I assume is the reason for their exclusion.

- If they are not part of the Elite 11, what is the thoughts/theories on why they are scarce in the typically common P350 set? Pastorius was released in Aug 1909, which could explain his short run as part of the 350 series, but Conroy remained with Wash. through 1911, and his variation (With Bat) wasn't produced until PG3, which was late 1910.

- What factors led to the inclusion of Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw?

- With the EPDG backs being found at a much higher rate than the P350's, is it possible that EPDG back run started later in the 150 series, prior to the the 350 series starting up? It would make sense that these players would be more common with an EPDG back if that were the case.



I'm sorry if this has been addressed, I've attempted to absorb a large amount of T206 information over the past few weeks!
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Ted, and/or anyone who knows ...

In regards to the Elite 11, I have read through the threads and the posted thread from 2006-2007, but I was hoping you could help me understand a few things and educate me.

- What factors led to the exclusion of Conroy and Pastorius from the ranks of the Elite 11? Was it a matter of regionality? (Is that a word?)
- If they are not part of the Elite 11, what is the thoughts/theories on why they are scarce in the typically common P350 set?
- What factors led to the inclusion of Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw?

I'm sorry if this has been addressed, I've attempted to absorb a large amount of T206 information over the past few weeks!
#1....The only 350 series backs that the Elite 11 were printed with are PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG.

Conroy and Pastorius were printed with PIEDMONT 350, EPDG, and, SWEET CAP #25 & #30.


#2.... " What factors led to the inclusion of Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw ? "

In recent years, Scot Reader's vast T206 survey indicated that Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw are also part of the Elite 11 group.


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Thanks Ted. I came across the Elite 12 thread from last year after posting my original questions and updated my post. You're knowledge, and willingness to share, is greatly appreciated!
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That's an incredible back run Ryan! Nice work. An AB460 will turn up someday. That Tinker Uzit and Ted's McGraw Uzit being on the same page is almost too much eye candy!

Good questions Jason. Ted pretty much answered already, but I'd add that Pastorius and Conroy fielding were both also printed with Old Mill backs. I hadn't noticed that those two were tough with Piedmont 350 backs. If they are, that adds an interesting wrinkle to the puzzle.

I think you're on the right track with the idea that EPDG backs were printed at the end of the 150 portion of the 150-350 Series. But, there's no consensus as of yet. There are some recent threads where we've been debating it on here. Pat R has done some great research on the topic recently.
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Good questions Jason. Ted pretty much answered already, but I'd add that Pastorius and Conroy fielding were both also printed with Old Mill backs. I hadn't noticed that those two were tough with Piedmont 350 backs. If they are, that adds an interesting wrinkle to the puzzle.
Thanks Luke. I'm trying to pose intelligent questions, most of which I'm sure have been answered or at leased inquired about at some time or another, but I'm still in the very early phases of learning.

In regards to the Pastorius and Conroy, I focused on them because of their initial inclusion in the Elite 11, back in 2006. Though they have since been excluded for reasons already covered, they are much harder to find in Piedmont 350 than 150 series. Based on the limited number graded by PSA which denote the factory, 39 150's have been graded, but only two 350's. 19.5:1 ratio is pretty high. Again, small sample size, but telling. With Conroy, it's a ratio of almost 8:1, with 37 150's and only four 350's.

Pastorius can be explained away by his August release, but the reason the Conroy may be harder to find seems less obvious.
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Interestingly, Neither Pastorius nor Conroy have a confimed graded example, at least not from PSA, SGC, or BVG, of an EPDG card for either of these players. t206 resource does list the Pastorius/EPDG as confirmed and the Conroy as possible, but I find this to be noteworthy.

SGC does have a single EPDG Conroy, which is not specified as Fielding or With Bat, and could possibly be the Fielding version, but I find that doubtful. They do both have PSA graded examples of both Old Mill and Sovereign 150 however.

Lots of interesting wrinkles, as this actually contradicts the thought that EPDG was printed earlier than Piedmont 350.

Maybe someone here has EPDG cards of these two they can share?
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Hey Ryan

Fantastic display of your Tinker run. Thanks for sharing it with us.

I've been searching for his AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 card for many years to complete my AB 460 run (74 cards).
So when the next one shows up there be at least 4 of us contending for it. It should be very interesting.

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Interestingly, Neither Pastorius nor Conroy have a confimed graded example, at least not from PSA, SGC, or BVG, of an EPDG card for either of these players. t206 resource does list the Pastorius/EPDG as confirmed and the Conroy as possible, but I find this to be noteworthy.

SGC does have a single EPDG Conroy, which is not specified as Fielding or With Bat, and could possibly be the Fielding version, but I find that doubtful. They do both have PSA graded examples of both Old Mill and Sovereign 150 however.

Lots of interesting wrinkles, as this actually contradicts the thought that EPDG was printed earlier than Piedmont 350.

Maybe someone here has EPDG cards of these two they can share?
I don't think those two being left off the EPDG print run contradicts anything. Plenty of poses were not printed with EPDG and then later printed with all the other 350 series backs. If they were left off EPDG print runs and then pulled early from P350 production, I think that would just be a coincidence.
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Thanks Ted, and great meeting you too! Yes, it appears that tinker AB is quite a hot commodity!
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Tougher than the T206 AB 460 card of Tinker (bat off shoulder) is his T215-1 card.


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........... Two Pennsylvanians ........



I have a few cards which are missing one of the ink passes in the 6-color process of the T206 cards. I know of numerous T206 color error cards, so if you have some
post them here.

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The rightmost Lundgren card is missing the Blue ink pass. This is a very rare occurrence with T206's....since the Blue ink was an intervening application in the 6-color
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Have really enjoyed reading all the great posts in this thread, and a huge kudos to TedZ for all you do to keep the eye candy and knowledge flowing (equally fun from this collector's perspective).

I collected cards (and comics) as a kid but never reached the echelon of T-cards. I quit and sold them when I was 18, wanting money for college-related fun (what a stupid move!). Anyhow, fast forward 15 years and I got back into comic books agressively. Put together the #1 registry set for Superman #1-423, among some other prized possessions. Then, more recently, I caught the card bug again and went straight to the T-206 set as I always wanted any and every card from the set, but especially the Toronto players (hometown as a kid)

And here we are today, where my quest continues....have a set of 522 but working on a fully PSA graded set in 4+. I think I'm 27th or 28th on the registry, but still filling in some holes, too. I know that the registry is not everyone's bag, I just enjoy the hunt and competition, I suppose. I am dumbfounded by the registry's top set, with an average grade of 8....pretty darn close to the highest grade extant on every card!

My goal is to ultimately upgrade to a set of PSA 6-7 (but will probably remain a set of 522....we'll see).

The variety of T206 is wonderful. The different leagues and from two countries, the backs, the poses, and so many epic players who have legacies that will withstand the test of time!

I know this is a lame post without pictures ("PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN!") but I promise I'm working on them! Trying to create some group shots of the set, and might have to start posting while holes still remain in the set. But I also don't want to use up too much bandwidth on this tremendous thread with multiples, so I figured better to wait!

Finally, to all our veterans - Thank you for your service!

Please keep all the information coming!

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Ted, I have a bunch of these missing color cards, mostly missing red. Too many to post all of them. I also threw in a scrap, which isn't really the same.
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Here's a Baker missing most of the blue pass, and of course the Plank is missing the dark blue.


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Ted, about that Willis of yours that is missing color:what is the back? Mine is a Hindu, and they frequently seem to be much lighter.
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Hi Joey

I really appreciate your complimentary words. I've learned a lot these past 40 years completing sets.....1887 Allen & Ginter > 1987 TOPPS (multiple sets of many of the major sets).
I believe in sharing information which I have gleaned from extensive research in such sets as the 1888 N162, the T205 & T206, the 1933 Goudey, the 1941 Play Ball, the 1949 Leaf,
and the 1948-1953 Bowman (BB & FB) sets. Oh, and I cannot forget 1952 Topps.

And, this forum is a great stage for the exchange of meaningful info regarding all aspects of this hobby.


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Ted, about that Willis of yours that is missing color:what is the back? Mine is a Hindu, and they frequently seem to be much lighter.
Hi Sean

I'm familiar with the Red > Orange / brown HINDU phenomena. I've had some of these color error T206's in the past.

Anyhow, my color error Willis is a PIEDMONT 150 card. The normal Willis is a SOVEREIGN 150.


Thanks for posting your color errors.


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.................................................. .................................................. .................................. PIEDMONT 150 .................................. SOVEREIGN 150


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Another T206 color error.


...................... POLAR BEAR .......................................... SOVEREIGN 350


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Here's a color printing error not seen too often.

Hey guys,
How's about showing off some of your unusual T206's ?



..................... PIEDMONT 350 ......................................... PIEDMONT 350


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A few more color printing errors......




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Missing colors can be tough sometimes.

Beck is missing two colors, Huggins isn't, but is from a group I don't see often that always has the player looking very pale. Downey and Lobert are both faded.


Meyers with a really odd but factory cut. The result of either debris in the stack of cards being cut, or a sheet somewhere below it in the stack being folded over.


And a weird handcut but I don't think trimmed card. There must have been more in the group, but I didn't know enough at the time to find and buy them.
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Missing yellow?
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Nice pink Bradley.
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Hi David S.

Here is a Huggins printing error that is very similar to your Bradley card......




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Steve,

Do you think this Clarke is factory-cut? I've always thought it might be. The image came out smaller than I expected, but if you save it and look at in Paint, it's big enough to get a good look at. The top and bottom both have the same notch. Kind of like your Myers above.
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Missing colors can be tough sometimes.

Beck is missing two colors, Huggins isn't, but is from a group I don't see often that always has the player looking very pale. Downey and Lobert are both faded.


Meyers with a really odd but factory cut. The result of either debris in the stack of cards being cut, or a sheet somewhere below it in the stack being folded over.


And a weird handcut but I don't think trimmed card. There must have been more in the group, but I didn't know enough at the time to find and buy them.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T206-B...53.m1438.l2649


That Ewing card is what a trim would look like if I did it. I too think it's a hand cut and not a "trim"..
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Orange (instead of Red) 150-Series Chance (portrait) cards are often found with brown HINDU backs.
This one is a PIEDMONT card.



............ PIEDMONT 150 ......................... SOVEREIGN 150



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You mention a Group B in Post 181, are these the only 28 with this back or are there others, in another group. Thanks in advance for your answer.
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You mention a Group B in Post 181, are these the only 28 with this back or are there others, in another group. Thanks in advance for your answer.

Hi

The 350/460 series comprises of 63 subjects. Towards the end of the T206 production (circa..early 1911), American Lithographic divided these cards into the 2 print groups (which I've
designated as Group A and Group B)......



Group A

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Group B




All 63 of these cards were printed with the SWEET CAP, Factory #30 backs. But, they were NEVER issued to Factory #30 in New York to be inserted into cigarette packs. Instead,
they were stamped with Factory #42 overprints and shipped to the Liggett & Myers plant in Durham, NC. This change was done by ATC in anticipation of their divestiture in 1911.

Apparently, a recent find of a sheet (or several sheets) containing these 28 subjects (Group B) was discovered and (unfortunately) it was cut into individual cards.

Some years ago, a "scrap" sheet containing the 35 subjects in Group A was discovered with SWEET CAP, Factory #30 backs. Unfortunately, it was cut into individual cards.


This "proof" card of Johnson is an example of the 35 cards that were on the Group A sheet......


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Also, check-out Posts #4, 5, and 8 in this thread for more info regarding the 350/460 series cards.



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Back in 1980, when Bill Heitman published his famous book "the Monster", red HINDU cards very virtually unknown. The red HINDU back is not mentioned in "The Monster".
My understanding is that only a half a dozen of these very rare cards were known back in the 1970's, and T206 collectors did not really know what to make of them.

Since then, red HINDU cards have "trickled out of the woodwork". In recent years, a find of 13 red HINDU cards occurred in Texas. Ten of these 13 cards are subjects in the
460-only series Exclusive 12 group. The red HINDU's in the 350/460 series are considerably more difficult to find than the Exclusive 12 guys with red HINDU.

For you rare back collectors here are factors (rules) to keep in mind when you are chasing after certain T206 front/back combos......

In the 350/460 series......the red HINDU cards are "matched pairs" with the BROAD LEAF 460 cards (printed circa..late 1910).

Furthermore, T206's with these backs are mutually-exclusive with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards (printed early 1911).

This hypothesis was first presented on this forum in April 2010 in this fascinating thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=122474&page=2

This mutually-exclusive factor is the result of American Lithographic dividing the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series into 2 print groups (at the end of their T206 production.
Circa..late 1910 > early 1911. I have designated these 2 print groups as Group A and Group B. The red HINDU's and BROAD LEAF 460 backs were printed on these subjects
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Group A
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To date, 31 subjects have been confirmed with the red HINDU back in the 350/460 series.

Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)

Magee (bat)
Murphy (batting)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fielding)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
CYoung (glove)

The following 4 subjects have yet to be confirmed with the red HINDU back. I expect all four will eventually be found.

Ames (hands above head)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago))
Reulbach (no glove)


460-only series......Exclusive 12

These 12 confirmed subjects are the only red HINDU cards in the 460-only series. Furthermore, these 12
are definitely more available with the red HINDU back than the above listed subjects in the 350/460 series.
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Crandall (cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove at hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove)
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Red HINDU is one of my favorite T206 backs. Currently, I have 14 of them. Here's a sampling of HINDU's in my collection.

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My first red HINDU (acquired in the 1980's)

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Hey guys...... how's about posting some of your red HINDU cards here....let's see how many different cards we can come up with ?



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Ted, here's a quote from Heitman:

Most Hindu backs are printed in brown and according to the theory contain only fronts which were issued with the Series 150 cards. However, recently at least six Hindu backs with a distinct red rather than brown back printing have been found. All six fronts correspond to player poses issued only in the 460 series. Unfortunately, not enough is known about this apparent anomaly to theorize about the Hindu red printed backs."

So Heitman was aware of them, but had only the most basic information about them. I'll try to post a scan of my only RH in a couple days.
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1st Issue (Nov-Dec 1962)

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Hi Sean

I mixed up my information. Frank Nagy, who was one of the first collectors to publish a checklist the T206 set in the Sport Hobbyist,
made no mention of the red HINDU back.

Bill Heitman told me that only half a dozen red HINDU cards were known back in the 1970's.

Sorry, about the mix-up.

Anyway, don't you find it very strange that red HINDU's were virtually unknown 50-60 years after they were printed and issued ?



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1st Issue (Nov-Dec 1962)

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Anyway, don't you find it very strange that red HINDU's were virtually unknown 50-60 years after they were printed and issued ?



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As a matter of fact, I find it very surprising. I can understand why a Piedmont Fact 42 or Doyle variation could go unnoticed, but the Hindu Red should stand out from the Hindu Browns. And while rare, there were still plenty of them around, especially the exclusive twelve , which are easy to find with a RH back.

Cobb backs were incredibly rare, and even the MAGIE is relatively rare and easy to miss, yet they were known. How could no one ever see a Red Hindu and say Hey, this back is different?
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By the way, I love that Donlin. I sometimes think about doing a Donlin back run. He's my favorite player from that era... a stereotypical drunk Irishman who could really hit.
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By the way, I love that Donlin. I sometimes think about doing a Donlin back run. He's my favorite player from that era... a stereotypical drunk Irishman who could really hit.

Hey Sean

You forgot to add acting to "Turkey" Mike's resume. His desire to perform on a stage (or in the movies) prevented him
from being in the BB Hall of Fame (.333 lifetime BA). Any, given week when the TCM channel is featuring Silent Movies
you most likely will see Donlin in the cast. The most notable movie he is in is "The Great Train Robbery" (a classic).

I have a head-start on you.....here are some of my Donlin cards. I have some more somewhere.




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Great Donlins Ted. Don't you also have a Red Cross or Victory somewhere?
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And you and Pete each have a Factory 8 overprint as well. Excellent.
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I finally got around to scanning my Red Hindu. This is my only RH; it's part of my Cubs set.


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I finally got around to scanning my Red Hindu. This is my only RH; it's part of my Cubs set.


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Hey Sean

Your red HINDU Chance would fit perfectly in my Chance run. Currently, I have approx. 14 different backs with this Chance (yellow portrait).
Perhaps we can work out a trade.

Anyhow, continuing from my last post, here's a show of the red HINDU cards of my Exclusive 12 guys.


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I finally got around to scanning my Red Hindu. This is my only RH; it's part of my Cubs set.


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May sound odd, but that's a really solid PSA 1!!!
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Whoops....I forgot my beat-up McGraw. If anyone on this forum has a Vg to Ex red HINDU McGraw (for sale or trade) please contact me......
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Some years ago, I observed that the rare red HINDU cards were more available with the Exclusive 12 subjects. To prove this point,
I began to acquire Exclusive 12 red HINDU cards starting October 2013. Within 2 months, I had 11 of them with red HINDU backs.
I still needed Sheckard (glove) to complete this run of 12.
Well, this elusive card took me 17 months to finally complete (April 2015) this sub-set.



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OK ... I'll bite I think I've asked this before in another thread ... but no one seemed to know at the time.

Is there any reference to how the T206 cards were were packaged and shipped to the different factories from the ALC? For instance ... were the sheets put in cardboard boxes, loaded on a train and then sent to each of the different factories in NY, Virginia, Ohio, etc? I'm trying to imagine a train load of T-206's passing through the Virginia country-side on their way to a Piedmont factory
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OK ... I'll bite I think I've asked this before in another thread ... but no one seemed to know at the time.

Is there any reference to how the T206 cards were were packaged and shipped to the different factories from the ALC? For instance ... were the sheets put in cardboard boxes, loaded on a train and then sent to each of the different factories in NY, Virginia, Ohio, etc? I'm trying to imagine a train load of T-206's passing through the Virginia country-side on their way to a Piedmont factory
Actually ... after re-reading my post from last night ... I got to realizing that the T206 cards were cut by the ALC ... correct? That is ... the ALC printed the fronts ... the ALC printed the various factory backs ... and then the ALC cut the sheets ... yes? Then the T206's were probably sent to all the different factories via rail. And then who knows how they got to the factories after reaching the rail station (car, horse/carriage, trolley ...?). Just curious. But not sure anyone else is Thanks!
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Actually ... after re-reading my post from last night ... I got to realizing that the T206 cards were cut by the ALC ... correct? That is ... the ALC printed the fronts ... the ALC printed the various factory backs ... and then the ALC cut the sheets ... yes? Then the T206's were probably sent to all the different factories via rail. And then who knows how they got to the factories after reaching the rail station (car, horse/carriage, trolley ...?). Just curious. But not sure anyone else is Thanks!
Hi Jerry
You got it right....these gems we love so much were designed, printed, cut into 1 7/16 by 2 5/8 inch rectangles in this building in downtown New York City.



......and then sent by rail to the various Tobacco Factory's. Most (if not all) of these factory's had railroad lines adjacent to them.



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Thanks for the clarification Ted. Not sure why I'm so interested in the logistics ... but I have been reading an online newspaper from 1908 (NY Tribune) and it has peaked my interest in what everyday life was like during the Deadball Era. This all started when I began collecting "T" cards ... and then re-playing the 1908 NY Giants season via Strat-O-Matic baseball. There sure were a lot of suicides and traffic fatalities in 1908. Apparently it was a pretty brutal time period to live in. At least in NY City.

Anyway ... whenever I hold a raw T206 in my hand I often wonder where all that card has traveled during its life. Kind of strange I know. But the history of these little pieces of cardboard ... and the players they depict I find fascinating Thanks for the reply. And Merry Christmas to all!
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