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Old 06-01-2018, 07:57 AM
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I sold that one to Jantz. Sad to think I won't be seeing him again.[/quote]

Hi Ed,

Yes I remember when he posted it that he said he had bought it off you.

Jantz was one of those few people that you never heard anyone
that had anything bad to say about him. I used to meet up with him at
all the nationals that I went to and I've lost interest in going
this year after hearing about his passing.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:12 PM
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Default T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys......T206 printed sheet structure

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Continuing on the "12 factor" theme. There are also some subtle examples of the "12 factor" regarding the printing of T206 backs in certain Series.
One example that comes to mind is the EPDG cards in the 350 Series. Exactly 108 subjects were printed with the EPDG back. Therefore, creating a
possible sheet which is formatted with 12 cards across by 9 rows down.

350 Series .................... 108 subjects printed with EPDG backs

Abbott
Anderson
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Batch
Beck
Bender (trees)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Campbell
Casey
Chance (yellow portrait)

Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minneapolis)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Demmitt (New York)
Dineen
Joe Doyle (arms over head)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Easterly
Egan
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)

Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Freeman
Fromme
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Groom
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Hoffman (Providence)
Hulswitt
Jackson
Kelley
Kisinger

Kleinow (catching-NY)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lattimore
Lavender
Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Maddox
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McLean
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes

Oberlin
Pfeister (seated)
Phillippe
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Rudolph
Schlafly
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Smith (Buffalo)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Stanage
Stephens
Sweeney (Boston)
Jesse Tannehill

Taylor
Thomas
Titus
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Zimmerman






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Old 06-02-2018, 03:06 PM
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Thanks for continuing to post all of this great information Ted. It is nice to have a thread at the top of the board that deals with something other than complaining.

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Old 06-02-2018, 07:56 PM
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Hi Bryan

I appreciate the complimentary words, good buddy.


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Old 06-02-2018, 09:55 PM
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Default T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards

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In post #25 here, I present the A-B-C-D connection. ALC printed these T206 backs during the Summer of 1910. Theoretically, 190 subjects in the 350 Series
were printed with each of these 4 backs. The AMERICAN BEAUTY and CYCLE backs have been confirmed with all 190 subjects. The tougher BROAD LEAF back
has (so far) been confirmed with 177 subjects. And, the rare DRUM back has (so far) been confirmed with 151 (350 Series) subjects.






Here's the current list of the 177 subjects which have been confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 350 back:

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan (bat)

Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Eddie Collins
Congalton
Cravath
Cree

Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Jack Dunn (Baltimore)
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Egan
Engle
Evers (yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher

Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)

Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone

Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)

Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Poland

Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr

Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielman
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman


Hey guys,
Let's see some BROAD LEAF 350 cards. Especially, if you have one that does not appear on this list. I expect that eventually we'll find the 13 missing BL 350 guys.


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Old 06-03-2018, 08:25 AM
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Hi Ted, I hope all is well.

Totally off-topic, so please forgive me. I notice lately on ebay there are many Brown Hindus and Black Lenox (what is plural of Lenox??), that have paper loss on the back from where it seems the cards we glued to an album. My gut is that many of these cards must have come from the same collection, because its just too coincidental that this many of these backs are around at the same time, all with back damage. So, two questions:

1. Was there ever a large find of Broen Hindus or Black Lenox that all had back damage?

2. Were Brown Hindus and Black Lenox only released in certain parts of the country (like I think Drum and Nadja (in e cards) was St. Louis?
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Old 06-03-2018, 08:16 PM
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Hi Ted,

So, two questions:

1. Was there ever a large find of Broen Hindus or Black Lenox that all had back damage?

2. Were Brown Hindus and Black Lenox only released in certain parts of the country (like I think Drum and Nadja (in e cards) was St. Louis?
#1......Most LENOX cards that I have, or have seen, don't have back damage.
Brown HIMDU cards occasionally are found with back damage. Shown here is
the last remaining one I have from a lot of brown HINDU's with back damage
that I picked up some years ago.


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#2.....Factory #30 in New York manufactured the LENOX brand. LENOX brand
tobacco products were mainly marketed in the New York area & New England.


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Old 06-04-2018, 09:04 PM
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Default T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, Surveys.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards

Continuing on with the BROAD LEAF 350 (BL 350) theme....certain T206's with BL 350 backs are extremely rare. Much more rare than
a good majority of the T206's with the BL 350 backs. An excellent example of this is my blue Chase BL 350 card. I traded for this card
in 1990 with my old buddy, Ralph. Ralph was great at finding rare T206 front/back combos in his neck of the woods (the Great Smoky
Mountains region).

This BL 350 blue Chase card was the only known one for many years. It's my understanding that another one was recently discovered.
Although, I have not seen it yet. Furthermore, PSA and SGC pop reports do not indicate any blue Chase / BL 350 cards graded.





If a DRUM card of Mr. Chase ever shows up, I will have a chance to complete this A-B-C-C-D sub-set.


The following 13 subjects have yet to be confirmed with BL 350 backs. I expect these cards will eventually be discovered.

Atz
Brashear
Carr
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Easterly
Ferguson
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGann
Pickering
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Stephens


So, come on guys, show-off your BL 350 cards. And perhaps, some one on this forum may come up with one of these missing 13 guys.



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Old 06-04-2018, 10:27 PM
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Here are Two Blue Chase Broad Leaf 350's that are graded
by PSA Ted.

Chase (Blue Portrait) BL350 PSA 1.5.jpg

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