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Old 06-08-2017, 09:57 PM
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Default Broad Leaf 460

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Enjoy the challenge of collecting T206's by their backs ? Let's start with the toughest of the tough regular issue T206's....the BROAD LEAF 460 cards. These cards were printed
ONLY on subjects in the 350/460 series. And, just 35 subjects (of the 63 subjects) in 350/460 series were printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 backs. Furthermore, these same 35
subjects were printed with the rare red HINDU backs.

Near the end of the T206 press runs (circa late 1910-early 1911), American Lithographic separated the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series into 2 print groups (refer to Post #8).
Shown here are the 35 subjects printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back......


Group A
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Listed here are the 27 subjects which have been confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back......

Baker
M. Brown (Chicago)
Cobb (red portrait)
Davis (A's)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
Cy Young (glove)


Listed here are 8 subjects from this group that have yet to be discovered with BL 460 backs.
I expect these T206's will eventually be found with BL 460 backs......

Ames (hands above head)
Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Donlin (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Magee (bat)


NOTE....that the 460-only series subjects were NOT printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back.


If you have them, show them....never tire of seeing BROAD LEAF 460 cards.


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Old 06-08-2017, 10:28 PM
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Ted, here's my one and only. Note: this is an old scan. The card now resides in a PSA holder.


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Old 06-09-2017, 09:09 AM
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Hi Sean

" It Don't Come Easy....you know, it don't come easy " (Ringo Starr, 1971)

We get these BROAD LEAF's in what ever shape their in....cannot afford to be "picky"....this one was mine (traded it recently).









Let's see some more BL 460's....condition is immaterial.



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rjackson44

I appreciate your compliments.

Stayed tuned, more T206 info will be forthcoming.


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Old 06-10-2017, 09:36 PM
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Default BROAD LEAF 460....continued

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Continuing on the BROAD LEAF 460 theme, this Feb 2006 thread.... T206 Broad Leaf 460 cards is one of the very first (if not the first) to be posted on this subject on Net54.

Check-it-out, it's quite an interesting thread......especially, Art Martineau's post (#35) in which he identifies 26 of the 27 subjects we now know of with BROAD LEAF 460 backs.



. OK, I'll try again....if you got them, show off your BROAD LEAF 460 cards. They certainly are a fine credit to anyone's T206 collection.


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Old 06-15-2017, 08:31 PM
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Default Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman

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. < < 1st Issue ............ Issued 1980 > >



Here is the 1st issue (1962) of The Sport Hobbyist. Charles Brooks and Frank Nagy were it's co-founders. Most of us old-timers have fond memories of Frank Nagy.
Frank ran a mail auction for many decades. I saved his interesting notes (from early 1980's) which he would include with the cards won from his auction. Example:
he would often reduce the amount of your winning bid because the closest bid to it was considerably less than yours. Now, how can you beat that ?
Frank's auction stuff was very eclectic, 19th Century - 1970's cards (all sports and non-sports). I recall winning T206 (Ex) commons for $1 - $2 each. And Cobb's,
Lajoie's, Matty's, and CYoung's, etc. for less than $10 each.

In 1980, Bill Heitman's book "The Monster" was available. This 28-page book was an awesome reference for us guys new to the world of T206's. It provided us a
better understanding of the complexities of this set; and, also enlightened us and motivated us to go after the elusive rare T206 backs.

Having said all this....can you imagine how some of us on this forum were pleasantly surprised in early 2005 when Bill Heitman responded to this Net54 thread....
Possible Heitman Errors

Here are some more threads that Bill subsequently chimed in on......

T207 Davis blue C

T206 Rare Backs

REFLECTIONS of YOUTH

Collecting Exclusive Series of the T206 Set

rarest tobacco card ?

And, here's a thread dated March 2007, where Bill chimed in regarding the Wagner strip...... A T206 printing question for Bill Heitman, or anyone ?


I have some more responses from Bill around the 2005 - 2007 time period. I will add them later.


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Old 06-20-2017, 08:50 PM
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Default T206 Reference....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc....CAROLINA BRIGHTS

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The stylistic design of the CAROLINA BRIGHTS (CB) backs is one of the best of all the T-brands. American Litho printed these backs during their 350-only series press runs.
My research indicates that 132 subjects were printed with the CB backs.

Our Net54 resident expert on the CB's is Brian Weisner....perhaps he may chime in here and share with us his knowledge.

The CAROLINA BRIGHTS cigarettes were manufactured in Wilson, NC....click on this link for a picture of the factory.... CAROLINA BRIGHTS factory


Here are my CAROLINA BRIGHTS cards (I traded Clymer to Brian Weisner some years ago). How about posting some of your CB's here ?

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To date, 128 subjects have been confirmed with CAROLINA BRIGHTS.

Abbott
Abstein
Anderson
Arrelanes
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Bender (trees)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns

Bush
Campbell
Carr
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clark
Clymer
Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Collins (Minneapolis)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (New York)
Dineen

Downey (fielding)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Freeman
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Grimshaw
Groom

Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hofman
Hulswitt
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Kisinger
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lattimore
Lavender
Livingstone
Lord
Lundgren (KC)

Maddox
Maloney
Mathewson (dark cap)
Mattern
McAleese
McCormick
McGann
McGinnity
McGlynn
McLean
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Murray (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
Pfeister
Phillippe
Pickering

Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Quinn
Rhodes
Rudolph
Schlafly
Schreck
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Speaker
Stanage
Stephens
Strang
Sweeney (Boston)
Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor

Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Wilson
Wright
Zimmerman


This list is still a work in progress. We are nearing completion, as there are only a few more new CAROLINA BRIGHTS to be discovered.

Recognition goes to Brian Weisner and Art Martineau, who have researched the CAROLINA BRIGHTS cards for many, many years.


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Old 06-21-2017, 08:52 AM
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Great looking Carolina Brights McAleese.

Thanks for posting it, guy.


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