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Old 05-20-2017, 06:09 PM
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These auto's aren't authenticated but both use the Doolan spelling.
Doolan Auto.jpg
Doolan Auto 2.jpg

Also here's a ball with Doolan.
http://rarebooks.library.nd.edu/exhi...hy/index.shtml

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Old 05-21-2017, 08:59 PM
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Ted & Jerry,

Whoever wrote his Wiki thinks his name was Doolin. I'm guessing they did the research and know the story.

Scot

Mickey Doolin Wiki:

Michael Joseph "Mickey" Doolin (May 7, 1880 in Ashland, Pennsylvania November 1, 1951 in Orlando, Florida), was a professional baseball player who played shortstop in the Major Leagues from 1905 to 1918. During his career, he played for the Philadelphia Phillies, Chicago Whales, Chicago Cubs, New York Giants, and Brooklyn Robins. His name is often misspelled as "Doolan" due to many of his baseball cards being misspelled.

Hi Scot

Doolin's very 1st card is a W600 (1906 issue) which identifies him as.....Michael Doolin

And of course, his 1st T206 card spelled Doolin issued with the 150 series cards in 1909.

All T-cards, E-cards, Gum-cards (Mello-Mint) subsequent to the above two cards identify him as Doolan.


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Old 05-22-2017, 08:10 PM
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Default Show us your T206 "proof's"......

* * * * * * * * * * T206 Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * *

v...................................... 5-card proof strip with Wagner ......................................v
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The most significant find of T206 "proofs" is the unique Wagner 5-card strip (shown here). Art Martineau mentioned it in a 2005 thread.... T206 proofs

This 5-card strip was first acquired by Bill Zimpleman and Wayne Varner in the Pittsburgh area in the 1970's. They accquired it from a gentleman who had
purchased Wagner's house. In the early 1980's, Barry Halper acquired this strip from Bill and Wayne.


Here is a reprint card of another unique T206 proof....Eddie Collins (with bat) that American Litho (ALC) did not issue (for whatever reasons). My theory is
Collins (like his boss, Connie Mack, and Eddie Plank) didn't do tobacco in any form. However, ALC printed Collins in the 350 Series. So much for my theory.

Had ALC continued this Collins card into their regular production line, they would have printed it with a PIEDMONT 150 back first. And, perhaps some of the
other T-brands in the 150 Series. At the start of each Series press runs, the PIEDMONT backs were printed first on the T206's (and, at greater number than
any of the other T-brands).









I certainly ain't any kind of expert regarding T206 proofs. This Puttman proof is the only one I have....so, I leave it up to you guys with all these proofs to
show-n-tell us all about them.

Where's Johnny V when we need him


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Old 05-23-2017, 10:45 PM
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AWESOME THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been meaning to post in it....

I have been super busy, but have been meaning to write a few articles.....especially on proofs

I will post tomorrow on the 206 proofs....you are onto something!

150 subjects hint hint
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:12 PM
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Hey Johnny

Great to hear from you.

Your the man to tell us about these T206 proofs.

Take care, good buddy


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Old 05-27-2017, 09:48 PM
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Default Needless to say....UZIT cards are extremely tough....let us see your UZIT's

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T206's with the UZIT back were issued in the Spring of 1911. The UZIT and the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs were printed together at the tail-end of the T206 press runs.
On display are the six UZIT cards in my collection. I'd say the UZIT back is the 2nd toughest of the various T206 T-brands. Of course, the BROAD LEAF 460 is the 1st.

Now, I'm not dismissing the brown LENOX, nor the brown OLD MILL cards. But in my opinion, these two backs resulted from printer's mistaken ink application (most likely
a one time error in the printing process). They were not regular issue cards. Otherwise, we would see many more of them.


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58 subjects with the UZIT back have been confirmed to date (5/31/2018).


350/460 series...............................28 subjects

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball-St Louis)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)

I am quite confident that the above list of 28 of the 350/460 subjects is complete (as it coincides with the confirmed
list of AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 subjects for the 350/460 series).


460-only series..............................30 subjects

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Howie Camnitz (arms up)
Harry Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Frill
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)

Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
Tinker (bat on)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

The 460-only series list is still a work in progress....I expect that as many as 16 more UZIT cards from this series will eventually be discovered.


Stay tuned....in the next post here more stuff regarding the UZIT cards will be presented.


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Old 05-30-2017, 08:06 PM
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Default Spring of 1911, T206 era ends......and, the start of the "Golden era" begins

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At the beginning of 1911, American Litho (ALC) launched their Gold-Border series of cards. The T80 cards depicting worldwide Military subjects was one of the first issues.
The artwork of the T80's is very distinctive, and their gold borders are quite ornate. By the Spring of 1911, ALC had concluded their T206 press runs. Last batch of T206's
were printed circa Jan > March 1911 with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, LENOX (black & brown**), and UZIT backs. These T206 subjects were from Group B (re Post 8) of the
350/460 series and subjects from the 460-only series.


T80 cards

......also, T80's exist with extremely rare OLD MILL backs



Now imagine this...... opening a LENOX (or UZIT) cigarette pack in the Spring of 1911 and finding a T206 card and a T80 card in it....WOW ! !

ALC ledger sheet (dated Feb 1911) exists which instructs ATC employees at Factory #30 to insert both a T206 card and a T80 card in a LENOX (or UZIT) cigarette pack.


Indeed, 1911 was a very ambitious year for American Lithographic in terms of Tobacco premiums. Listed here are some of the sets produced in 1911......


T201 cards






Fez Cigarette issue, T77 Lighthouse cards, and T205 cards......the T205 Minor Leaguer's (12-cards) were printed & issued circa..Fall/ Winter of 1911.





Circa 1911 Gold-Border Tobacco premiums

208 = T205 Baseball

50 = T42 Birds

30 = T43 Birds

50 = T56 Emblems

100 = T57 Fables

50 = T69 Historic Homes

50 = T80 Military Series

50 = T99 Sights & Scenes of the World



T99 Sights & Scenes of the World
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I'll gladly answer any questions you may have regarding this stuff.


** Note....I will elaborate more on the T206 brown LENOX cards in a future post.


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Old 06-04-2017, 06:41 PM
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Default ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911)

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On display here are vintage postcards (circa 1910) depicting three of the nine ATC Factory's which manufactured tobacco products during the 1909 - 1911 timeframe.
Also listed are the other six Factory's which produced ATC tobacco brands during this era.



Factory #25, Richmond, VA

ATC tobacco brands...... PIEDMONT, AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE, DRUM, OLD MILL, SOVEREIGN, SWEET CAPORAL

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................................v....... Factory #25 .......v
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Factory #42, Durham, NC

ATC tobacco brands...... AMERICAN BEAUTY, PIEDMONT, SWEET CAPORAL



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Factory #33, Reidsville, NC

ATC tobacco brand...... Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco










Factory #30, Brooklyn, NY

ATC tobacco brands...... LENOX, SWEET CAPORAL, TOLSTOI, UZIT

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And, here are the other five Factory's manufacturing ATC tobacco brands during the 1909 - 1911 era......

Factory #6, Middletown, Ohio........ POLAR BEAR

Factory #17, Virginia..................... El PRINCIPE de GALES

Factory #649, New York State....... HINDU, SWEET CAPORAL



I'm including these two Factory's which included 1910 COUPON cards and RED CROSS cards with their Cigarettes. Since these cards were printed by
American Lithographic during 1910-1911 timeframe, and are identical with the T206 cards**. No need for "controversy", guys.

Factory #3, New Orleans, LA.......... COUPON

Factory #10, Jersey City, NJ........... RED CROSS


Let's see some more pictures of these ATC Factory's....if you have postcards, photos, publications, etc., please post them....thanks.


** Note......the 1910 COUPON cards were printed on "soft" cardboard because they did NOT serve as cigarette pack stiffeners. The initial marketing of
this brand was not in packs, but in cartons labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes which contained 100's of loose cigarettes.


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Hey Ted, some of the Coupon Type-3 cards were distributed from Factory 8. Do you know where that one was located? (I know that type-3s are not T206-similar, but I'm still curious.)
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Old 06-05-2017, 08:07 PM
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Where Factory #8 was located is a good question.

This I can tell you, that the Factory #8 overprint was applied at the tail-end of the T213-3 press runs (circa 1919). Which would explain why these cards are very rare.

I'm not quite sure where Factory #8 was located in Louisiana (other than New Orleans), so I'll not comment on it. Or for whatever reasons, perhaps ATC may have re-
assigned their New Orleans (Factory # 3) to Factory #8 at the end of WWI.


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