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Old 03-10-2017, 07:36 PM
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So, I take it that's a no on the refund...even when you said it's not wife signed when it is? And it looks like you said I could return it if I'm not comfortable with it. Well, I'm not comfortable with it and would like to return it.
No offense, but it was kinda clownish to ask for the refund the way you did, not demanding, but clownish. Still think you should get a full refund, since thats what he promised.
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Old 03-10-2017, 07:39 PM
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No offense, but it was kinda clownish to ask for the refund the way you did, not demanding, but clownish. Still think you should get a full refund, since thats what he promised.

Thanks for your input. I certainly could have written my email better, but it certainly was in no way demanding or discourteous. Clown question? Possibly.
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Old 03-10-2017, 07:43 PM
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Thanks for your input. I certainly I could have written my email better, but it certainly was in no way demanding or discourteous. Clown question? Possibly.
Yea his version is a little over zealous if there is no more. lol I'd say just a little bizarre to ask how he was going to refund you after three years. I don't know him but if he's an honest seller I think he will do the right thing, and ignore the fact that you slightly mispoke. I mean if the only reason your not going to refund is because you feel you were slighted, thats no way to handle a transaction. Just my opinion.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:36 PM
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The interesting people us collectors are...wierd on both ways..the buyer wanting the refund sort of wierdly and a long time later and the seller saying

"... If the email had been less demanding I probably would have offered a refund, but I don't respond well to discourteousness."

Always interesting when someone WAS going to do something but for the tone of the email. Either you refund or you dont dont. Usually those are fake excuses when they point to tone or politeness. I never heard anyone say 'i was going to not pay you back except you asked you asked sooo nicely so here is the money'

If the seller was ok already in offering a refund, he shouldnt be complaining about tone, just offer the refund since thats the moral code he was following

Seems like the wrong buyer for the wrong seller..just wasnt a good match


But thats a good thing about net54...if you are ignored in emails you can always open up a thread here

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Old 03-11-2017, 10:34 AM
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I believe there is a reasoable time frame for inspection. Money gets allocatedto different things. Refund is not always possible even. There is no infinite time period for returns from honest sellers. That is ridiculous.

If you have concerns dont buy. If you buy get the item inspected and if its bad return it within a normal time frame.

Even credit cards will not let you dispute something after 6 months. I believe that to be a good guage on where to draw the line...but even that is really long to float a seller. In private transactions it should be 2 to 3 months. That is more than enough to get something graded or get other opinions.

No offense but that is what you get for sitting on things. Chaulk it up and stop doing business with him.
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Old 03-11-2017, 10:56 AM
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I believe there is a reasoable time frame for inspection. Money gets allocatedto different things. Refund is not always possible even. There is no infinite time period for returns from honest sellers. That is ridiculous.



If you have concerns dont buy. If you buy get the item inspected and if its bad return it within a normal time frame.



Even credit cards will not let you dispute something after 6 months. I believe that to be a good guage on where to draw the line...but even that is really long to float a seller. In private transactions it should be 2 to 3 months. That is more than enough to get something graded or get other opinions.



No offense but that is what you get for sitting on things. Chaulk it up and stop doing business with him.

Really? That is what I get? So, because I trust a seller whom I thought was a close hobby friend and trusted his word I get what I deserve? I deserve to be out $3k? Because he blatantly lied to me, which I have attached images, yet you feel like I deserve this? Are you kidding me? There were no red flags with Jason prior to this. I didn't NEED to send them in to get authenticated because I trusted him. All we have is our word, right?

And BTW, I offer lifetime guarantees with ALL of my items if an autograph is proven to be bad. I have refunded a seller after a year no questions asked. There is no fine line limit like with a credit card.
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Really? That is what I get? So, because I trust a seller whom I thought was a close hobby friend and trusted his word I get what I deserve? I deserve to be out $3k? Because he blatantly lied to me, which I have attached images, yet you feel like I deserve this? Are you kidding me? There were no red flags with Jason prior to this. I didn't NEED to send them in to get authenticated because I trusted him. All we have is our word, right?

And BTW, I offer lifetime guarantees with ALL of my items if an autograph is proven to be bad. I have refunded a seller after a year no questions asked. There is no fine line limit like with a credit card.
Well the fact of the matter is that this guy told everyone that he would refund him the money, but now won't because I guess he feels slighted? That is extremely unethical.
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I agree that it's completely unreasonable to expect a refund after that amount of time. For authentication - 60 days max is acceptable for getting a response back and communicating to the seller.

Personally, I think the autos are good - PSA and other authentication companies sometimes just don't know, so they error on the side of "not authentic" but they get it wrong too.

I have an autograph signed at a dinner from a HOF'er, and since he was drunk off his ass, the auto is terrible and would never pass authentication.

I say sorry, learn from it and move on

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I agree that it's completely unreasonable to expect a refund after that amount of time. For authentication - 60 days max is acceptable for getting a response back and communicating to the seller.

Personally, I think the autos are good - PSA and other authentication companies sometimes just don't know, so they error on the side of "not authentic" but they get it wrong too.

I have an autograph signed at a dinner from a HOF'er, and since he was drunk off his ass, the auto is terrible and would never pass authentication.

I say sorry, learn from it and move on

JSA took 12 weeks to get me a decision


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As someone who sells cards from time to time. If I found that I sold a card that wasn't what I claimed it to be, there'd be no question that I would refund the money. The only thing we have in this business is our name and that is built on being ethical. If it's 1 day or 1 year or 10 years, if I sold something fraudulent, unbeknownst to me, I'd do what is right and refund the buyer's money.
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