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Iíve never seen the Hindu Duffy before - thatís a sweet card.
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I am not sure but I donít think Duffy has been confirmed till now. I am still trying to find my paper list.
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Acquired these Drum backs in the same era but a little after the Hindu backs

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Beautiful cards. I love seeing good condition raw 205ís.
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Acquired these Drum backs in the same era but a little after the Hindu backs

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How much did the Drum of Mordecai Brown set you back? Seen a couple and asking prices are ridiculous.
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I am not sure but I donít think Duffy has been confirmed till now. I am still trying to find my paper list.

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Here is my list of the 22 subjects currently confirmed with HINDU
backs (with respect to their Team affiliation). See if you agree.....


New York Giants
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Leon Ames
Josh Devore
W. R. Dickson


Cincinnatti Reds
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Robert Bescher
Richard Egan
Harry Gaspar


Chicago Cubs
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John Kling
John Pfeister


Detroit Tigers
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George Simmons
Oscar Stanage


Philadelphia Phillies
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Fred Jacklitsch
Sherwood Magee


Washington Senators
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Walter Johnson
GeorgeMcBride


Boston Red Sox
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Eddie Cicotte
Clyde Engle
Jacob Stahl


Boston Rustlers
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Bayard Sharpe


Brooklyn Superbas
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Edgar Lennox


Chicago White Sox
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Hugh Duffy


Pittsburg Pirates
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Albert Leifield


St Louis Browns
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William Bailey




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Ted I would trust your list are accurate and quite up to date.

Sorry to hear you couldn’t make it to National. Would love to chat if you got time. I believe you should have my number still.
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That's fantastic Ted...do you have a list for Drum too?

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Default T205 DRUM's

There are exactly 32 subjects in the T205 set printed with the DRUM back. For more info regarding these DRUM cards,
check-out this thread....... T205 DRUM vs HINDU......


T205 A=B=C=D pattern

. . .


The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. NOTE that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


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T205 A-B-C-D connection.......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 subjects in bold letters have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.



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Great news guys. I found my checklist. I will try to take pictures and post it later
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That's awesome...looking forward to the list

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Some of my T205 Hofers

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Some of my T205 Hofers

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I'm sorry, but they're all worthless since none of them have been graded by a third party grader!

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Lol...that's fine by me...I have never submitted a card for grading...made me mad to "have to" buy some T205s that were graded to finish the set because I could not find raw cards in the condition I wanted to fit in with my set

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I guess I will have to consider my set complete even though they have found 2 more variations since I thought mine was completed many years ago...the Wilhelm "suffered" and Mathewson "loss" variations...but if I could ever pick those 2 up "reasonable" I guess I would consider it...lol

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Lol...that's fine by me...I have never submitted a card for grading...made me mad to "have to" buy some T205s that were graded to finish the set because I could not find raw cards in the condition I wanted to fit in with my set

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If you aren't selling, there is no need to grade. I collected my t206 set before PSA and most are ungraded. My t205 set was missing about 50 when I decided to finish it 4 years ago. I won't buy ungraded cards today and decided to grade everything else for uniformity.

Grading offers another level of frustration. I had 5 cards not graded despite me measuring every card before I bought them. I have cards graded lower than I thought they should, but when I look to upgrade with higher grades, the higher grade is in worse condition. You are better off just enjoying your cards.
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So using Ted's lists, the only HoFers that have been found with Drum backs are Brown and Johnson and the only HoFer that has been found with a Hindu back is Duffy as Huggins and Wheat are unconfirmed...I have a Drum Brown and a Hindu Duffy...any idea on how many of each of them may exist? And does anyone have the Drum Johnson or a pic of it?

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So using Ted's lists, the only HoFers that have been found with Drum backs are Brown and Johnson and the only HoFer that has been found with a Hindu back is Duffy as Huggins and Wheat are unconfirmed...I have a Drum Brown and a Hindu Duffy...any idea on how many of each of them may exist? And does anyone have the Drum Johnson or a pic of it?

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almost.....I used to own these and used to have a decent collection.

btw, as someone doing a slowly but surely T205 set, I think yours looks freaking awesome. Congrats on it.

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Love the Johnson Hindu back... whatever happened to it? At least I have a pic of it

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It got sold in my catalog collection sale through Heritage Auctions, around 3 yrs ago. Here is the 2nd half of my current set I am working on... Yours are in nicer shape than these but I don't want to spend so much to get the top tier. I am on a budget . Waiting for decent centering and not much flaking is making it more fun albeit a bit slower.

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Many/Most of them are in fact graded. I just cropped out the holders. I probably have 20-30 ungraded. I don't care if they are or aren't as long as I like them . And actually the lower the technical grade the better. The backs are all nice too....but may have a little staining, which is about my favorite type of downgrade to the back.
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Leon, I have a total of 291 T205 cards including duplicates...only missing the Wilhelm and Mathewson variations to have all 221 cards for a master set...have at least 2 examples of all 11 different tobacco brands and have at least one Hall of Famer with all 11 different brand backs...and have one blank back card(Jimmy Dygert).. but only 20 of those 291 T205 cards are graded and I am perfectly OK with that...I just enjoy looking at them without being "entombed"...I guess if I ever decide to sell them I may be forced to get them "slabbed and graded" to maximize the greatest financial reward...I often wonder what some of the old time collectors would think about the grading process...I only really got to know one serious old time collector...his name was Crawford Foxwell from Marylands eastern shore and he used to set up at local shows in our area...he always had a little of everything and was extremely knowledgable

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After looking at my earlier post I realized I mixed up the rare Hindu and Drum back Hall of Famers...there is only 1 confirmed Drum back Hall of Famer and that is Brown as Huggins and Wheat have not been confirmed with Drum backs...and there are 2 confirmed Hindu back Hall of Famers and they are Duffy and Johnson...thanks again to Ted Z for the list and Leon for the pic of the Johnson Hindu

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So using Ted's lists, the only HoFers that have been found with Drum backs are Brown and Johnson and the only HoFer that has been found with a Hindu back is Duffy as Huggins and Wheat are unconfirmed...I have a Drum Brown and a Hindu Duffy...any idea on how many of each of them may exist? And does anyone have the Drum Johnson or a pic of it?
Hey guy,
Your post #118 (quoted above) is somewhat confusing. So, I have reprised my DRUM and HINDU lists here in order to clarify......

DRUM HOFers
M. Brown
Huggins
Wheat

HINDU HOFers
Duffy
Johnson


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There are exactly 32 subjects in the T205 set printed with the DRUM back. For more info regarding these DRUM cards,
check-out this thread....... T205 DRUM vs HINDU......


T205 A=B=C=D pattern

. . .


The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. NOTE that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


.


T205 A-B-C-D connection.......32 subjects (Note....This list is complete.)

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 subjects in bold letters have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.

Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.
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Here is my T205 list of the 21 subjects currently confirmed with HINDU
backs (with respect to their Team affiliation).

HINDU

New York Giants
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Leon Ames
Josh Devore
W. R. Dickson


Cincinnatti Reds
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Robert Bescher
Richard Egan
Harry Gaspar


Chicago Cubs
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John Kling
John Pfeister


Detroit Tigers
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George Simmons
Oscar Stanage


Philadelphia Phillies
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Fred Jacklitsch
Sherwood Magee


Washington Senators
-------------------------
Walter Johnson
GeorgeMcBride


Boston Red Sox
-------------------
Clyde Engle
Jacob Stahl


Boston Rustlers
------------------
Bayard Sharpe


Brooklyn Superbas
----------------------
Edgar Lennox


Chicago White Sox
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Hugh Duffy


Pittsburg Pirates
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Albert Leifield


St Louis Browns
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William Bailey

Note....Bold lettering in this list denotes HOFer.

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Hey Ted, I revised it right before your post

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What a strange coincidence....we were both typing about the same subject simultaneously. But, you beat me in posting your's first
while I was still typing away. Anyhow, now this matter is clear.

Trust me, Huggins and Wheat will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


Here's my Huggins A-B-C-D connection.







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I am transferring my research list to a tablet for ease of use. I will post to a new thread this evening hopefully. Then the board will always have an accurate master list available and we can add on to it
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Ted, no coincidence...great collecting minds think alike

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I found this thread from a couple of months back and wanted to revive it. There are some great looking cards in this thread! Any of you guys crack out any T205s from PSA or SGC holders to display in binders or otherwise?
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I am at 52, including a few HOF, in consistently low grade. List is on http://www.oldbaseball.com/ and interested in trading some of my 50's and 60's baseball to get more. I am more than a quarter done, excluding minor leagues and crazy variations.

Probably my favorite baseball set ever! Love those colors and most of mine still have a back to read

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I am at 52, including a few HOF, in consistently low grade. List is on http://www.oldbaseball.com/ and interested in trading some of my 50's and 60's baseball to get more. I am more than a quarter done, excluding minor leagues and crazy variations.

Probably my favorite baseball set ever! Love those colors and most of mine still have a back to read

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My favorite set as well!!
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