The downfall of the PSA boards.

[teetwoohsix]

Here's some cards

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Here's some cards

I'll second that .... never gonna pass up the chance to see/show some cards.
Good porn there Clayton!

[bobbyw8469]

Not to overstep my bounds Leon... I am sick of this!

You need to have your WHOLE name in the thread Ty. Not just your first name. Even I know that, the most basic board rule here there is! Again, I don't mean no disrespect, but if you don't like the topic, stay out of the thread. You can learn alot just by reading the title of the thread. If the thread was about baseball cards, then the title of the thread would read 'Check out my T205 Rube Marquard'. (insert card here)..



To make a point, I don't like the home shopping network. My cable box has loads of those channels. I am not going to sit and watch the channels and then complain about it. I simply don't tune in to those channels. On a forum, you can choose what threads to go in to and read. You chose to look at this thread. You probably shouldn't complain when you chose to come in this thread on your own accord. There are alot of good members on the PSA boards (me included), that can and will contribute to this site. All we need is a chance.

[sdkammeyer]

I am pretty sure, that in a crude jest, we were attempting to make light of the subject and ingest a bit of subliminal humor. No harm, no foul.

There have been many threads in the past couple of days about the Exodus from the CU boards, and really ........ it is what it is.

This is the internet and things move faster than "real time" as we know it.

Personally, and I hope to substantially humble myself here, I love this forum and everyone here. I feel no ill will at all. I know that many members feel that this is their "online card family" and I 100% respect that. I, as a newbie, can only hope that someday I will be accepted into that family. Respect is the magical word in that sentence.

This isn't a place to b*tch and complain about the same things over and over again. I'm new and already tired of it. No I don't have to "read" it .... but I have to see it if I want to see net54 at all.

[abothebear]

Bobby,

The point about the topic isn't about your title. It is the category you posted it in. This is the pre-war forum. Your topic is more appropriate for the water cooler forum. or maybe the post war forum if you want to talk about the specific card issues you had over there. Your title and topic are fine, it is just living in the wrong place.

I know some people don't care for these kinds of topics but I enjoy them in their place. I can be naive and reading about these conflicts helps me have a better understanding of an aspect of the hobby I am ignorant of due to the very few transactions I am personally involved in.

I hope you have a better experience here. If you take it slow, and keep your head down, you will win friends over time. I find that vigorously defending myself rarely achieves what I hope it will achieve. I know the temptation is overwhelming to clear your name, but the truth will bear out over time. Don't get baited into responding to every grumpy comment. You will lose even when you win. I have been arguing on the internet for 10 years, and silence, though it is the hardest argument for me to make, is almost always my best argument.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

I'll second that .... never gonna pass up the chance to see/show some cards.
Good porn there Clayton!

Steve, is your Cobb in an 'Auth' holder? It looks seriously manipulated on the bottom border, but my eyes aren't so great.

Scott <=== starting new, vintage, this-board drama

[lsutigers1973]

If you have to go to an almost anonymous forum and tell everyone how good of a guy you are, you probably aren't.

So you do not say I'm hiding behind a keyboard:

Bill Holler
2401 E. Travis St
Marshall, TX 75672
https://www.facebook.com/bill.holler.5
Twitter: Bill_Holler73
www.maverickbowling.com
Kik.com: m_bowling

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

If you have to go to an almost anonymous forum and tell everyone how good of a guy you are, you probably aren't.

Here's a good bit of wisdom for Bobby (of course, not from me), especially given all the recent 'Hey, LOOK AT ME!' threads:

You are just an extra in everyone else's play

Of course, you probably have a more important role in your family member's individual plays, but that's really about it. If you disappeared from a forum, 99.9% of the members would forget about you within a couple of weeks.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

If you have to go to an almost anonymous forum and tell everyone how good of a guy you are, you probably aren't.

So you do not say I'm hiding behind a keyboard:

Bill Holler
2401 E. Travis St
Marshall, TX 75672
https://www.facebook.com/bill.holler.5
Twitter: Bill_Holler73
www.maverickbowling.com
Kik.com: m_bowling

My wife is from Naples TX.....we go through Marshall when we go to the boats. Also, I think we go there to see some pretty cool Christmas lights, sometimes, too. Nice neck of the Piney Woods......

[bobbyw8469]

Bill.....since you must throw stones, let's chunk a couple your way? Just why/how did you get kicked off the PSA boards again?

Not trying to be a smartass....I really don't know, and I would like to know.

I've heard rumors it involved a bogus autograph but I want to hear it from you.

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

If you have to go to an almost anonymous forum and tell everyone how good of a guy you are, you probably aren't.

So you do not say I'm hiding behind a keyboard:

Bill Holler
2401 E. Travis St
Marshall, TX 75672
https://www.facebook.com/bill.holler.5
Twitter: Bill_Holler73
www.maverickbowling.com
Kik.com: m_bowling

Bill you moved since the big find or long Uhaul drive...You sure do look like Tickle from the TV show Moonshiners.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Bill.....since you must throw stones, let's chunk a couple your way? Just why/how did you get kicked off the PSA boards again?

Not trying to be a smartass....I really don't know, and I would like to know.

I've heard rumors it involved a bogus autograph but I want to hear it from you.

Bobby....In case you didnt get the drift from many other board members.....nobody wants to hear about crap that is spilling over from other boards. Why do you just take this to PM or better yet, Bill has given you his contact information. Call him and clear the air instead of clogging up these boards with this nonsense.

[rjackson44]

leon wont ever allow that

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by runscott

steve, is your cobb in an 'auth' holder? It looks seriously manipulated on the bottom border, but my eyes aren't so great.

psa 3

[pepis]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

psa 3

That Cobb looks better than most 4 or 5s even if it has a light crease
or any problem in the back the eye appeal is vey nice

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by pepis

That Cobb looks better than most 4 or 5s even if it has a light crease
or any problem in the back the eye appeal is vey nice

Thank you very much. It truly is a beautiful card. I am considering crossing it over.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Bill.....since you must throw stones, let's chunk a couple your way? Just why/how did you get kicked off the PSA boards again?

Not trying to be a smartass....I really don't know, and I would like to know.

I've heard rumors it involved a bogus autograph but I want to hear it from you.

After a warning or two from Carol, i posted a picture of Craig from his Facebook profile ONLY after he did the same. I got banned, he didn't.

The ONE auto in question was a Wilt Chamberlain auto that was included in a medium size collection that I bought on the BST board on CU. It was pulled from eBay once I was informed of his questionable authenticity. Card was sent to PSA and deemed a fake and eventually destroyed by Mike Navarro at my request.

Anything else?

EDIT TO ADD: Yes I moved about 30 miles west from Shreveport. Bought a bowling and now live here in Marshall.

Leon I apologize for continuing this childish thread, but once again, my integrity was questioned. Stop by and say hello next time you pass through.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

Thank you very much. It truly is a beautiful card. I am considering crossing it over.

Is your card and i enjoy looking at it! and i think that is the important thing
that you enjoy and cherish it! i have something similar here it is;

[bcbgcbrcb]

WOW. 68 posts in less than 24 hours and "T206" was not even included in the title.......

[CMIZ5290]

Bobby- Just out of curiousity, are you looking to sell any T206s? Sorry Phil, I couldn't resist....

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

WOW. 68 posts in less than 24 hours and "T206" was not even included in the title.......

True, but we managed to sneak a few in there

Beautiful Cobb Steve !!! Love that card

Carry on folks....

Sincerely, Clayton

[bobbyw8469]

Bobby- Just out of curiousity, are you looking to sell any T206s? Sorry Phil, I couldn't resist....

I have a couple. They look like they are cut funny, and I have no idea what to ask for them, as they aren't my area of expertise. Should I put them on the live auction thread?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I have a couple. They look like they are cut funny, and I have no idea what to ask for them, as they aren't my area of expertise. Should I put them on the live auction thread?

No, you should study them intently for about three days - do nothing else other than eat and maybe some calisthenics. You can also take incoming calls, but only from family members.

[bobbyw8469]

You can also take incoming calls, but only from family members.

I have no family, and I refuse to stare at a T206 that long. I will put them on Ebay...will send a link when I do.

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by Runscott

No, you should study them intently for about three days - do nothing else other than eat and maybe some calisthenics. You can also take incoming calls, but only from family members.

I can't stop smiling

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

I can't stop smiling

shhhh - he's off creating ebay listings.

[ullmandds]

Personally...along with the downfall of the PSA boards...I hope the downfall of PSA follows!!!!!

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Personally...along with the downfall of the PSA boards...I hope the downfall of PSA follows!!!!!

I dream of a world where we all buy and sell cards in top loaders.

[1all]

...and sold to kids in a pack of cigarettes... Ah those were the days.

Non-Troublemaking refuge here....Cheers! -Doug

[ullmandds]

Matt...those days are gone forever...I'd be very happy with accurate...unbiased grading myself!!!!!

[Matthew H]

Question for all the new members: What's your favorite background color on a T206?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

If you have to go to an almost anonymous forum and tell everyone how good of a guy you are, you probably aren't.

So you do not say I'm hiding behind a keyboard:

Bill Holler
2401 E. Travis St
Marshall, TX 75672
https://www.facebook.com/bill.holler.5
Twitter: Bill_Holler73
www.maverickbowling.com
Kik.com: m_bowling

I will need your social security number and credit card numbers to verify you are who you say you are.

[bobbyw8469]

Anything else?

Sure....what happened on Ebay with all those silver proof coins?

added info: On 2nd thought, I am gonna bail you out here. You don't have to answer that. The 5th amendment protects you from that. All I am going to say to you, is how dare you chunk rocks at me for my "sins", if you can even call them that, when you have wayyyyyyyyyyyy more glass windows in your house than I do. I have explained my actions. You don't have to say anything else to me. But I am like a boy scout compared to you!

I am going to take Sean's advice now and let this thread die. Everyone take care.

[OTWCards]

Just in from the department of redundancy department . . . This is like deja vu all over again!

The Cliff-notes version will soon be available as an iBook download. Please check back after Page 12.

[nam812]

As per Net54 rules, my name in Ni.ck Mu.nafo

Here's a old thread I started on CU to show some of bobby's "high moral character"

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=788421

[ullmandds]

Perhaps A new message board Should be created for all of these PSA refugees?

[rainier2004]

Is this the January pick up thread?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Perhaps A new message board Should be created for all of these PSA refugees?

It's one thread, I don't think a new board is needed for one thread. I hope we convert some of them to Pre-WWII but most of their talk is poppage and ripping packs, which is fine, but not really our main game. I already see it dying down and there are some really good conversations going on, on the front page. Can you tell I am beating my drum?

[Taxman]

Originally Posted by nam812

As per Net54 rules, my name in Ni.ck Mu.nafo

Here's a old thread I started on CU to show some of bobby's "high moral character"

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=788421

Now I know why you always come out "smelling" like a Burberry rose. Interesting

[bobbyw8469]

I have already responded about the Mays, Nick. I think you need to reread this whole thread. You are arriving a little late to the party. Nothing new to see here boys.

[Taxman]

Bobby that comment was directed towards Nam. Google search will explain it.

[eomint]

This is my first post on these boards, I have been a member of the CU forums for many years and a collector of high end vintage. I have read the Net54 forums for a # of years, observing only...some of the posts are informative and in the true spirit of educating and sharing...others, such as this one bashing PSA, just serve to undermine the very hobby we all theoretically find so special.

I am a realist and not a sentimentalist, and good debate is valuable, I didnt even mind when people were questioning if I overpaid for the 55 Clemente 10, maybe I did and maybe I didnt, only time will tell. But most collectors, regardless of what they collect, wouldnt buy something if that something didnt have higher utility for them than the money/opportunity cost. And I think it's worth contemplating that and trying to be respectful of it.

PSA is the standard and clear market share leader in what they do. They are human and therefore mistakes can and will be made, but that does not mean that there is willful deceit or malice, I think David Hall, Joe, etc have always tried to do the right thing. Food companies have recalls, Tylenol had a big recall/scandal many years ago that has become an HBS case study in how to deal with crisis, and the bottom line is that while no entity is perfect, the way such entity handles tough issues or mistakes, admitting them, taking responsibility, offering to indemnify people, etc. is what determines longevity and whether any brand, including PSA, has enduring value.

I've really enjoyed the commradery of the CU boards and hope that Net54 will also continue to evolve into a forum for constructive dialogue about the hobby.

EOMINT

[Runscott]

[HRBAKER]

Net54 already is a constructive forum about the hobby. Not
everyone is cut out to be a cheerleader. Welcome to posting.

[mwilliams]

Just wow..."and hope that Net54 will also continue to evolve into a forum for constructive dialogue about the hobby"

[mikemcgrail]

Originally Posted by Runscott

No, you should study them intently for about three days - do nothing else other than eat and maybe some calisthenics. You can also take incoming calls, but only from family members.

This is great on many levels! Well fielded Scott

[bobbyw8469]

others, such as this one bashing PSA, just serve to undermine the very hobby we all theoretically find so special.

I am the originator of the thread. The thread was never made to bash PSA. The thread was talking about the steady decline of theme and character of the PSA boards, to the point that the board now needs "chaperones" to get rid of the wild west mentality that has long prevailed on the boards, because some members refuse to act like adults. I'm sorry if you misconstrued it as a bashing of PSA. I don't bash PSA. I like PSA. Sure, they make mistakes like the rest of us. I don't have anything against them though. At least if I know I am sending them something, I am going to get it back (wink wink @ GAI).

[Runscott]

Bobby, your phone is ringing.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by eomint

...
PSA is the standard and clear market share leader in what they do. They are human and therefore mistakes can and will be made, but that does not mean that there is willful deceit or malice, I think David Hall, Joe, etc have always tried to do the right thing.
...

EOMINT

For Eomint:

[novakjr]

Sorry to chime in so late on this one. But the PSA boards are fluff. Just another marketing tool for the company. If PSA is policing and poofing any thread or comment that sheds any sort of negative light on them, then the forum is not being allowed to be fully productive..

Ideally, it would be nice if our hobby was limited to sharing our pickups and digital pats on the back, or talking about pop numbers or registry rankings..But let's face it, this hobby is MUCH, MUCH more than that.. And the negative comes with the positive.

That's one of the best things about a board like this one. Absolute freedom. Well, as long as you post your name. We can tackle the good and the bad. And openly discuss and debate any matter, no matter how insignificant or controversial it may seem to some. You just don't get that when the hosting corporation is also the main topic of discussion.. The PSA boards have grown to the point of irrelevancy(would it be too far to say that they were irrelevant from their inception), because anything worth its weight that has been discussed over there, has or can or will be discussed over here openly and honestly, without the policing.

I am NOT trying to pick on PSA with this. Only the merit and character of the forum and the relation to it's hosts. It's just an observation about the nature of discussions about a company being held in a forum run by the same company.. The same would apply to just about any company.