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Old 04-06-2010, 04:02 PM
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Default $10 REWARD for finding any of these 28 - BL 460 "No-Prints"

Here are the 28 cards which I am stating were not printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back.

Prove me wrong, and for every one of the following cards you confirm with a BL 460 back,
I will reward you with a Hamilton Greenback !

350/460 Series cards..............28 - "No-Prints"

Ames (hands over head)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


Happy hunting, guys......


T-Rex TED

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Old 04-06-2010, 04:07 PM
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I have never owned any of the 28 no prints.
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Old 04-06-2010, 04:12 PM
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Ted,

I thought all these back set lists where created from known existing cards. How where these list created otherwise?
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Old 04-06-2010, 04:44 PM
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These confirmed and "No-Print" lists are the results of my research, while collecting my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set,
in which I discovered that AB 460 and UZIT cards were printed as pairs. And, that BL 460 and Red HINDU cards were as
pairs. Furthermore, these two sets of pairs are mutually exclusive. That is, you will not find a BL 460 and a UZIT back on
the same subject. Also, you will not find a BL 460 and an AB 460 back on the same subject.

Please keep in mind, that these stated rules apply only to the 62 cards in the 350/460 series....of which the BL 460 cards
are from.

I hope I have answered your question. If not, I'll try again.

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TED Z

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Old 04-06-2010, 11:53 PM
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Default $10 REWARD for finding any new BROAD LEAF 460 cards

Gee, so far no takers. So, I'll expand this $10 offer to include the 8 cards that I expect will be found.

There is a very good probability that any of these 8 cards will eventually be found with BL 460 backs.

Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Donlin (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Magee (bat)


There is a very low probability that any of the following 28 cards will be found with a BL 460 back.
Therefore, I'm classifying them as "No-Prints".

Ames (hands over head)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


Happy hunting, guys......I'm expecting to see some new BL 460's added to the confirmed list of 26.


T-Rex TED
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:07 PM
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Regarding your..........

"I'm glad Jim R asked first because I respect his knowledge when it
comes to the tougher backs so the answer must not be obvious.
Why are they no-prints?"


It gets somewhat complicated; however, here's my answer to you..........

My observations of of several surveys of BROAD LEAF 460, Red HINDU, and UZIT cards......combined with my research
while putting together my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set has resulted in what appears to be a well-defined pattern.

My theory is......American Lithographic (ALC) printed simultaneous press runs of BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU cards
with fronts common to both (Winter of 1910). In the Spring of 1911, ALC printed simultaneous press runs of AMERICAN
BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards (with fronts common to both).

Furthermore, because of the timeline difference (4 months) the BL 460 / Red HINDU pairs are mutually exclusive with the
AB 460 / UZIT pairs. Therefore, assuming my theory is true, this pattern allows us to predict which front/back combos
were printed, As a consequence, we are also have the ability to determine which front/back combos are NO-PRINTS.

The three lists of BROAD LEAF 460 that I have posted in this thread are the results of this research. I have a very high
confidence factor that these lists are an accurate representation of "The Monster" with respect to not only the BL 460
cards; but also, the AB 460, Red HINDU, and UZIT cards.

Thanks for your excellent question,

TED Z
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:39 PM
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Ted,
Wow. Good research.
Thanks,
JimB

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Regarding your..........

"I'm glad Jim R asked first because I respect his knowledge when it
comes to the tougher backs so the answer must not be obvious.
Why are they no-prints?"


It gets somewhat complicated; however, here's my answer to you..........

My observations of of several surveys of BROAD LEAF 460, Red HINDU, and UZIT cards......combined with my research
while putting together my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set has resulted in what appears to be a well-defined pattern.

My theory is......American Lithographic (ALC) printed simultaneous press runs of BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU cards
with fronts common to both (Winter of 1910). In the Spring of 1911, ALC printed simultaneous press runs of AMERICAN
BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards (with fronts common to both).

Furthermore, because of the timeline difference (4 months) the BL 460 / Red HINDU pairs are mutually exclusive with the
AB 460 / UZIT pairs. Therefore, assuming my theory is true, this pattern allows us to predict which front/back combos
were printed, As a consequence, we are also have the ability to determine which front/back combos are NO-PRINTS.

The three lists of BROAD LEAF 460 that I have posted in this thread are the results of this research. I have a very high
confidence factor that these lists are an accurate representation of "The Monster" with respect to not only the BL 460
cards; but also, the AB 460, Red HINDU, and UZIT cards.

Thanks for your excellent question,

TED Z
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:51 PM
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Thanks for your kind words......I appreciate them more than you know.

For as of late, I've been dodging quite a bit of flak on this forum (from two of the usual suspects).

Best regards,


TED Z
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I'm glad Jim R asked first because I respect his knowledge when it
comes to the tougher backs so the answer must not be obvious.

Why are they no-prints?
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Ditto to what frankb22 says.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:12 PM
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Ted,

I understand that you know which 26 different BL460s exist, and which 8 are likely to exist, but do you have any population numbers (total graded and/or non-graded) on any of the known cards? For instance I've seen at least 3 different Addie Joss and Charlie O'leary BL460s each, but have yet to see most that are on the confirmed list. Are most of the known BL460s 1 of 1?

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