T206 Broad Leaf 460 and Red HINDU "twins"

[tedzan]

There are a possible 61 subjects in the 350/460 Series that can be found with a BROAD LEAF 460 back.
To date, approx. 50% of them have been confirmed.


The known BL 460 cards......

Baker
M. Brown (Chicago)
Cobb (red portrait)
Davis (A's)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)........................an oddball 350/460 card that has no 350 backs
Konetchy (glove low)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
Cy Young (glove)


OK, the BL 460 are the rarest of the rare, but I think we can add a few more to this list. Show or tell
us of your Broad Leaf 460 cards ?

Following, will be 2 more lists......the 350/460 cards that most likely will not be found with the BL 460
back......and, a list of the possible cards that still may be found.


Thanks for participating.

TED Z

[tedzan]

No responses.....?

So, can we say that the other 32 subjects in the 350/460 series are BL 460 "No-Prints" ? ?

I think I have come up with several factors, that are 99% indicative of whether a card in this series
was printed with a BL 460 back, or not.

I will post it later.


TED Z

[egbeachley]

Ted, you may need to clarify. You mention 61 possibilities with 30 confirmed and 32 "no-prints".

[tedzan]

1st.......the T206's that were printed with Broad Leaf 460 are from the 350/460 series. There are 61 subjects in this series.
These cards are found with both 350 and 460 series T-brand backs. For example, the red portrait Cobb is found with 24 dif-
ferent backs.

2nd.......the Kleinow (Boston) card is originally from the 350/460 series; however, it is an anomaly in that this card was not
printed with any 350 series backs. Kleinow was traded to the Boston on 5/26/1910, and perhaps this explains why this card
does not exist with any 350 backs. Therefore, Kleinow is considered a 460-only series card.

Therefore: 61 - 29 (no Kleinow) = 32 (possible BL 460 No-Prints)

Does this clarify ? If not, I'll try again.


TED Z

[egbeachley]

Got it now. Thanks.

[tedzan]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm always fascinated by possible T206 "T-brand No-Prints". Simultaneously, I become frustrated
while putting together these sub-sets (i.e., SOVEREIGN, AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, etc.) because you never really know when these
"supposed" No-Prints will pop up in some find. After many years, we can determine with 99.9% certainty which cards are No-Prints.

If my research is correct, the following 28 cards will not be found with a BL 460 back. American Lithographic printed these 28 cards
with UZIT backs and AB 460 backs. But, for whatever reason, it appears that they did not print these cards with BL 460 backs.

There is an exception to this rule. The Cobb (bat off shoulder) has indeed been confirmed with UZIT and AB 460 backs. Also it has
been reported to have a BL 460 back. I haven't seen this F/B combo. Perhaps, a Net54er will confirm this card with a BL 460 back.


Possible BL 460 No-Print cards......

Ames (hands over head)
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)

Next, I will post a list of the 350/460 series candidates (not yet confirmed with the BL 460 back) that have a high probability of being
found with a BL 460 back.


TED Z

[judsonhamlin]

Ted - How does this mesh with what we think of the sheet sizes for the uncut cards? Should there be another few BL 460's out there somewhere, or were these on smaller than the 12 card strips?

[tedzan]

I still have more stuff to post on these BL 460 cards. Then, maybe we'll be able to arrive at some conclusions.

Perhaps, I'll get around to posting that additional information later this evening.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Judd......et al

Due to some new info that I just received, I am retracting my prior statement regarding the the Cobb (bat off)...........
" There is an exception to this rule. The Cobb (bat off shoulder) has indeed been confirmed with UZIT and AB 460 backs.
Also it has been reported to have a BL 460 back. I haven't seen this F/B combo. Perhaps, a Net54er will confirm this card
with a BL 460 back. "

Therefore, the BL 460 vs AB 460/UZIT "rule" appears to apply across the board for all the 350/460 series cards....and, this
Cobb does not appear to exist with a BL 460 back.

This change will be reflected on my BL 460 (confirmed) list and BL 460 (No Print) list.


TED Z

[tedzan]

There are a possible 61 subjects in the 350/460 Series that can be found with a BROAD LEAF 460 back.
To date, approx. 50% of them have been confirmed.


29 known BL 460 cards......

Baker
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (red portrait)
Davis (A's)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)........................an oddball 350/460 card that has no 350 backs
Konetchy (glove low)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
Cy Young (glove)


Show or tell us of your Broad Leaf 460 cards ?


TED Z