1969 and 1970 MLB Photostamps Info
Posted By: Karl
FYI, according to a dealer acquaintance who seems very knowledgeable about this issue:
Thanks. It's still a work in progress, and a lot of the info was provided to me by Mark Mosier, who's probably forgotten more about baseball cards than I know.
As noted above, the original 216 stamps were on 18 sheets of 12 stamps each, they were issued with two types of stock and backs, and they were issued for baseball's 1969 centennial but then re-issued and sold throughout 1970 - so they should be listed in the Standard Catalog as "1969-70".
There are 75 stamps unique to 1970 that I've listed below. These players were NOT in the 1969 set, their cap logos are visible/NOT airbrushed, their backs have long dash marks (see scan) and they are slightly smaller than the 1969-70 issue (1 7/8" x 3" instead of 2" by 3 1/4"). These came on 7 sheets (6 had 12 players, a 7th had only 3).
There's a THIRD stand-alone issue of MLB stamps/photostamps from 1970 that is comprised of just one sheet of 12 All-Star players. The stamps are the same size as the other 1970 stamps with the same long dash marks on the backs, but they use the same airbrushed logo photos as the 1969-70 stamps. This is also the only sheet that's PERFORATED. The 12 players are listed below. These 12 are the only players that have MLB stamps in 3 formats (2 x 3 1/4, dotted backs, off-white stock from 1969-70; 2 x 3 1/4, solid line backs, white stock from 1969-70; 1 7/8 x 3, long dash backs, perforated from 1970):
Hopefully I can put together enough evidence to support getting the Standard Catalog entry fixed (if they even continue to carry this type of issue in the future). If anyone sees any errors in what I've written, please let me know. Thanks.
Last edited by Karl Mattson; 12-09-2009 at 11:19 PM. Reason: Forgot to note that the 12 All Star stamps are perforated
I have owned a couple of the 1970 Sports Stars magazine that contained the 12 perforated cards on the insert sheet. Those are very difficult to find centered. Both of the magazines I have owned had the perforated lines way off center on the cards.
Last edited by Big Red Machine; 02-22-2010 at 08:41 PM.
Not much help now, but......
I have some sheets (unfortunately I don't remember which ones). I know for sure Ryan was on one of them. I also have an album that went with the stamps. They are all unfortunately buried in storage and will be for the near to intermediate future. I'll try to find this thread when I put my hands on them. Thanks.
Wow, I thought I knew this issue pretty well, but learned something new here... never knew about the back variations.
I had always known that the Standard Catalog had them listed incorrectly when it has all the players listed by team as opposed to by Series, which is how they were issued...
I have always thought that PSA doesn't know anything about them either, as they seemed to just arbitrarily assign the year as 1969 or 1970 to the ones which have always been known as the 1969 issue. I had always thought there was no such thing as a 1970 Clemente, even though PSA has graded 15 of them as such. Now, knowing of the reprinting, there technically is a 1970 issue, although, since they can't tell them apart, they really should just consider all cards from sheets labeled Series 1-18 as 1969, and all 75 cards from Series 19-25 sheets as 1970. I have always thought that those 75 cards are much tougher than the 1969 cards.
Looking at the PSA pop. report, of the 137 total graded under 1970, only 65 of them can actually be determined to be from 1970.
Last edited by a761506; 02-25-2010 at 10:05 PM.
Wanted to bring this back to light for a minute as I think I might finally have a small grasp on these. In particular the 1969 var 2 they were issued in a different booklet 4 different ones the description lists 48 in each booklet which leaves 24 shy for real 69 set found these photos from a old ebay auction so not the best pictures. I wondered does anyone own these and have better pictures and could verify the exact ones in var 2. They were separated by league and the division so
SERIES 1 AL Oakland, Minnesota, Chicago, Kansas City, Seattle, California
SERIES 2 AL Baltimore, Boston, Detroit, Washington, New York, Cleveland
SERIES 3 NL Atlanta, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Houston, San Diego
SERIES 4 NL Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York, St Louis, Philadelphia, Montreal
sschauer - yes, the variation 2/type 2 stamps were created for and included in the 4 division mini-albums, and I've been able to confirm that there were indeed only 192 "type 2" stamps (48 x 4 booklets). 12 ALers and 12 NLers don't exist as "type 2" (whiter stock and solid line on the back). I've identified most of the missing 24, and hope to know all of them soon. I'll post my findings as soon as I can.
Brushing off the Dust on this one!
I am bringing forward a very old thread as my father and I have been trying to “clarify” all the data regarding the MLB photostamps that were released in 1969 and 1970. Much of this work and our inspiration came from Net54 member Karl Mattson, but to our knowledge is more accurate than any other data on this topic that we have found. I have broken this into two reports, the “1969” (or so-called 1969) and the “1970” just to try to remain readable.
1969 MLB PhotoStamps -- (408 possible):
Variety/Type 1 with backs a&b = 216
Variety/Type 2 = 192
1969 Variety 1 (aka. Type 1) with backs a&b – (just for the sake of clarity, I have given an “a” and “b” designation to the differing back variations). This set of 216 hand-cut stamps with dotted line backs (the 1-7/8”x~3” (height was >15/16” & >3”) to the “cut lines) were on 18 sheets -- AL. 1-9 and NL 1-9 printed on off-white stock, with some having "Official Album" verbiage (the “b” back) on backs but no players exist with both "Official Album" AND Regular Backs. These are listed in the Sports Collectors Digest Standard Catalog (SCD) by sheet and in the Beckett Almanac (Beckett’s) listing has the 216 players listed alphabetically in groups of 9 players undivided by team name (team designation is cited in the general verbiage).
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