1895 Hugh Duffy Mayo -- Autographed

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Posted By: T206Collector

Did anybody from this Board wind up with the Hugh Duffy signed 1895 Mayo card in REA a couple of years back?

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2005/622.html



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Posted By: T206Collector

...if anyone is aware of an earlier signed baseball card. At the time of this sale in 2005, REA represented that it was "the earliest traditional baseball card we have ever seen signed by any player."

Anyone ever seen an earlier one?

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Posted By: James Feagin

Paul,

There are several 19th century cabinets that have been signed, but I don't know if I would count those. As far as official cards, I am aware of an 1886 Old Judge Mack that is signed on the back. I used to have a signed E96 Mack, but another board member owns it now.

James

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Posted By: Jay

I have the Duffy. There is an autographed Old Judge Mack with a beautiful fountain pen signature on the back. I believe it came out of a Mastro auction.

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Posted By: T206Collector

Thanks. I'd love to include a scan of the Mack on my website. I already have the permission of the E96 owner to post that one, which I have done.

Lately, I've been trying to identify all known signed examples of baseball cards pre-WWI. I'm certain there are signed CJ's out there, and other signed caramels, than the ones I've identified.

If anyone has scans or stories, please share them!



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Posted By: barrysloate

There is a signed cabinet of Henry Chadwick that dates to 1874 (to commemorate his 50th birthday). I don't know exactly when he signed it. It's pictured on page 7 of Smithsonian Baseball. However, that does not qualify as a card.

There are also some signed CdV's of Boston players from the 1870's, including Harry Wright. That comes a little closer to a card.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Wasn't there also a thread a few months back about some possible signed Buchner's. I believe Frank Ward had a few that he thought were fake but another board member posted other Buchners (different from Franks). My memory may not be correct however.

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Posted By: Rhys

There are signed CDV's of players in uniform which go back to the 1860's and 1870's which I am sure would qualify as cards to some degree.

I have a signed CDV of the man who started the Union of Morrisania Baseball club which dates to about 1862. Who knows if that counts or not.

If you want to get technical about the earliest signed baseball cards listed in the price guides, there was a complete set of signed Warren Studios cabinets a few years back that hit the block. They were some of the most visually stunning signed pieces around. The Duffy and Mack are the some of the earliest signed cards but they were most likely each signed in the 1940's so the cards are reallt old but not the signatures.

Rhys

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Posted By: Joe D.

I am fairly certain that my

autographed Upper Rock - Street Clothes Fred Flintstone predates all of the cards mentioned

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Posted By: Fred C

I don't see anywhere on the authenication label where the autograph was certified. I'm guessing that the low grade is because GAI probably felt that the card was "marked" with ink. It could have said Fred Flintsone on it and it probably would have still received a 1.5 grade. Does anyone else feel the same about this?

Edited to add - I don't think GAI certified the auto, only the card.

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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

sweet card Joe. I know with his temper, he didn't sign for fans very often.

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Posted By: AL Davis

I believe that the statement "GAI Certified" on the flip is a statement of authentication.

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Posted By: Fred C

Al,

Thanks, I believe you are correct. A 19th century signed card - now that's cool.

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

Duffy was fairly responsive through the mail in later years--too bad so few collectors back then sent more than 3X5s, GPCs and scraps of paper to be signed. I echo Al's sentiments (the CARD is authentic).

EDITED TO ADD THE LAST SENTENCE.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Regardless of the GAI flip, the auction description states that the card comes with "LOAs from Mike Gutierrez/GAI and James Spence & Steve Grad/PSA DNA".

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Posted By: quan

james iirc sgc would not authenticate the mack correct?

all this auto talk and the other thread got me doing some reading on the goudey autos.

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

I would be very interested to see the LOAs from Steve and Jim. This HAS to be a typo.

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Posted By: Jay

I have sent the PSA/DNA and GAI LOAs to Leon to post. I guess I have the Spence one at the bank but both other LOAs mention it.

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Posted By: leon

I am not sure why but my computer is not cooperating with Net54 to post these....so here they are, as my site for the host.....posted for Jay...(click in lower right of pic to make large)....

http://luckeycards.com/bert2
http://luckeycards.com/cert2

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Posted By: James Feagin

Yes, the E96 Mack is one for four in authentications (assuming that question was for me).

James

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Posted By: Ken W.

Is it a fake? ... I really don't know. Card is real, that's all I care about:

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Posted By: jason

Ken - send that in to get graded! Now I don’t want to get your hopes up but that may be a genuine signature.

I was the original consignor of Jay’s Mayo Duffy to REA and the one who had it authenticated by GAI.

I purchased the card off E-bay about 4 years ago as a low grade filler but it ended up being the genuine article.

At the time of my Duffy purchase, the same E-bay seller had 4-5 other signature Gold Coin cards (including O’ Rourke) up for auction. They all came from the same estate and I have been kicking myself ever since for not bidding on all of them. I think I paid about $70 for the Duffy and the Gold Coins went for about $20-30 each. I have been wondering when they may come back up again.

I guess the key question Ken is when and where you purchase yours from!

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Posted By: Rhys

I wouldn't waste your money sending the O'Rourke in to get graded. It is not real, not even close, and there are eraser markes all around the signature where someone tried to make the autograph look faded. You cant beat the price though as you said and even with pen on it, its worth more than you paid.

I remember a seller listing about 10 Buchner/T206 signed cards on ebay about 3-4 years ago. I bought a John Ward knowing full well it was fake, but a real card anyways for around $50. They were all fake signatures on real cards signed with some type of a felt tip pen in the 1970's to deceive but the problem is that the cheap pen ink had faded slightly over the last 30 years and that slightly resembled older faded ink. I dont know if that is where your Duffy came from or another seller but I remember a T206 Matty, McGinnity and Jennings as well as a couple of John Wards etc and some other Buchner cards too.

I make no assertations on the Duffy, but every card from the specific ebay grouping I am refering to was fake.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

Recall that we had this discussion last November, see link:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1193902529/John+Ward+auto+authenticity-

Unfortunately the scans are down but I recall having posted an authentic O'Rourke and was of the opinion that the Gold Coin was, well, how do you say: "Good as Gold".