Small crease on Ryan PSA 6

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by silvor

Not true at all. You can return it no matter.

Ask for a return from the seller. If he says no, go to ebay and ask for a return. Your case is better if you say you didn't know about the crease.

As a buyer, not my experience at all. When a seller specifies "Seller does not accept returns", it means that unless the item is grossly mis-described OR is the wrong item altogether, your return is not likely going to be accepted by the seller or approved by ebay. In most cases, sellers specifies "Seller does not accept returns" for a reason, and ebay will support them in most cases.

Sure, the buyer in this case can try to find a reason that this card does not match the sellers description ("1968 topps rookie of nolan ryan. Graded PSA 6" )and maybe get ebay to approve the return if the seller does not, but with a graded card like this a return approved by ebay is not likely.

In this case, the information provided by the seller in the listing concerning the card and his return policy make it hard to argue a "not as described" claim with ebay...ebay will likely view this as buyer's remorse, especially if the seller calls and speaks to a human at ebay.

Recently, I received several grossly overstated raw lots of cards and had to make multiple phone calls to a live human at ebay as well as provide a series of images supporting my claim that the seller overstated the condition of what they sold to me. Eventually, ebay approved the returns, but my returns were for grossly mis-described items, not an item that there is a question about if the item was mis-described in it's listing by the seller or not.

Perhaps you have had much easier experiences returning items to sellers with "Seller does not accept returns" stated in their listing, but this is not my experience. I obviously pay more attention to this detail when buying.

However, it absolutely does not hurt to try.

[silvor]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

As a buyer, not my experience at all. When a seller specifies "Seller does not accept returns", it means that unless the item is grossly mis-described OR is the wrong item altogether, your return is not likely going to be accepted by the seller or approved by ebay. In most cases, sellers specifies "Seller does not accept returns" for a reason, and ebay will support them in most cases.

Sure, the buyer in this case can try to find a reason that this card does not match the sellers description ("1968 topps rookie of nolan ryan. Graded PSA 6" )and maybe get ebay to approve the return if the seller does not, but with a graded card like this a return approved by ebay is not likely.

In this case, the information provided by the seller in the listing concerning the card and his return policy make it hard to argue a "not as described" claim with ebay...ebay will likely view this as buyer's remorse, especially if the seller calls and speaks to a human at ebay.

Recently, I received several grossly overstated raw lots of cards and had to make multiple phone calls to a live human at ebay as well as provide a series of images supporting my claim that the seller overstated the condition of what they sold to me. Eventually, ebay approved the returns, but my returns were for grossly mis-described items, not an item that there is a question about if the item was mis-described in it's listing by the seller or not.

Perhaps you have had much easier experiences returning items to sellers with "Seller does not accept returns" stated in their listing, but this is not my experience. I obviously pay more attention to this detail when buying.

However, it absolutely does not hurt to try.

I bought a T206 PSA 4 that looked centered in the photos. He didn't say it was centered. I requested a return from the seller, he said "no, you got a PSA 4 and I delivered on that."

I opened a case with ebay and they ruled in my favor.

Maybe I'm lucky.

[Mountaineer1999]

Thanks for all the input. The crease was there when mailed I'm sure. No way this crease was created during shipping. I can hold the card different ways and the crease disappears and it is easy to hide in pictures.

I have contacted the seller and he said no refund as it is a PSA 6.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Thanks for all the input. The crease was there when mailed I'm sure. No way this crease was created during shipping. I can hold the card different ways and the crease disappears and it is easy to hide in pictures.

I have contacted the seller and he said no refund as it is a PSA 6.

It is a bit ambiguous at best from someone with no vested interest. As others suggested I would next pursue it with Ebay, then Paypal, then PSA (presuming a card with a crease does not fall under their PSA 6 definition). I also understand that many sellers don't accept returns on graded cards - It just doesn't seem right that you get stuck with this one.

[pokerplyr80]

Remember you have 3 options fo file not as described claims. Ebay, paypal, and your credit card company. I have never had to go past the first two in a similar situation.

[AGuinness]

I'm in the middle of dealing with a seller who initially wasn't going to ship the item because it didn't reach the price they wanted. I posted it here and in a later note to the seller, I explained how I was discussing the issue on a collecting board and that the seller should have noticed a big increase in views on the item (and when it was relisted). Then I noted how the negative feedback and bad rep would be far worse than missing out on $40 (we'll see how successful this was tomorrow, when the card - or an empty package -arrives). Perhaps your seller might respond to this kind of motivation, as he/she doesn't have a heck of a lot of feedback...

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Remember you have 3 options fo file not as described claims. Ebay, paypal, and your credit card company. I have never had to go past the first two in a similar situation.

I have notified the seller I will pursue a refund through EBAY, PAYPAL and/or credit card if we cannot come to an agreement. More to follow...

[silvor]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

I have notified the seller I will pursue a refund through EBAY, PAYPAL and/or credit card if we cannot come to an agreement. More to follow...

I wouldn't have done that. I'd have just filed a claim with ebay.

Maybe I'm reading into this, but what "agreement" is there to be had? Either you keep the card or he takes it back. You're not just trying to get this for less are you?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Thanks for all the input. The crease was there when mailed I'm sure. No way this crease was created during shipping. I can hold the card different ways and the crease disappears and it is easy to hide in pictures.

I have contacted the seller and he said no refund as it is a PSA 6.

I would leave negative feedback and file with Ebay. Buyers need to be aware of the seller's deceptive sales practices. Follow up with Paypal and your credit card company if necessary to get your money back. Don't get stuck with a creased card because the seller hid the fact that it was creased from you.

[Mountaineer1999]

Thanks again for all the advice guys. I was wondering would PSA grade it a 6 if the defect was in the card stock even before printing? Looking closer it appears to me to be slightly raised/ pressed. I guess I'm trying to figure out how it got a 6 in the first place, is it possible they actually missed seeing it, that is hard to fathom.