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Posted By: bruce dorskind
Whilst I greatly enjoy the Board and welcome the |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I couldn't agree more although I doubt that many people on this board do. |
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Posted By: Chris Mc
While everyone is different in what they collect, not all can afford a rare card in 7 or better. Its nice to see rare cards in 7 plus grades but percentage wise(population reports)there just aren't that many. It's hard for me to collect cards in higher grades on what I take home. I have some nice cards but not that many. I think a lot of people would rather have 6 cards at a 3-5 range than just one 9. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Uhhh . . . Bruce, if the cards you are looking for are so commonplace, it wouldn't be called "America's Toughest Want List" would it now? For many pre-war sets, 5's are outstanding and a 6 is the equivalent of a 9 or better for Topps and Bowman from 1948 on. I have a 1923 Curtis Ireland "Rube" Marquard card that is a PSA 5. PSA has only graded five "5's" from that set, with no "6's". SGC has graded six "5's" from that set, with one "6". So is my PSA 5 Marquard a high grade card or is it "collector's grade"? |
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Posted By: Anonymous
super high grade is not important to me unless I'm selling. I actually enjoy the patina of time and handling. The history of the human touch is part of the charm. |
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Posted By: leon
Back about 8-9 years ago I had this discussion with John Spencer. I was buying his E102 Cobby and I asked him "should I collect more mid grade or fewer nmt type cards?" I chose more cards. As you said Bruce, it's the image we are looking for. Borders were made so the image wouldn't be disrupted with wear to them. I collect cards that have a good aesthetic quality. The borders, as long as they aren't trimmed, are not that important to me. Don't get me wrong, I still like high grade cards, I just can't justify them with my collecting resources..BTW, lmk of all of those truly nmt Just So's and Four Base Hits you have ever seen.....best regards |
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Posted By: James Feagin
My finest material is better than your finest material. Seriously, this sounds so OC that I'm apt to get a brain aneurysm if I pay that much mind to what someone else says is a "fine specimen." I have the "Worlds Easiest Wantlist of pictures of grown dead men in baseball uniforms", and the more I can add to my family, the merrier. Viva! the mid-grade! Long live affordable cards for the "true collector". |
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Posted By: Brad
I was told to buy the card not the grade! How many times have you said to yourself "man, that guy payed how much!" just for the grade 7, 8 or higher. It doesn't make any senses for a newbie to pay some outrages prices so he can look at the grade, besides you could basically get the same card for more then 50% less cost if you bought a 4,5 or even a raw card. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Bruce: Please feel free to post 'em. |
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Posted By: Chad
Snobbiness about baseball cards? (My apologies if I'm misinterpreting the sentiment.) |
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Posted By: steve f
I'll bite. Yankeefan... From one that collects the whale guano of the vintage world. It's the dirty, scrubbums that win the titles ala the '04 Boston Idiots. Not the *hifalutin, sterile, over-paid prettyboys Jeter, Arod, Sheffield! Okay, that was a wee stretch, but you get the gist. Anyway nice troll. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
so..... |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Chad, you didn't misinterpret anything. Bruce is a snob. That's fine. He has very specific collecting goals that differ from 99% of this board. |
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Posted By: Wesley
>When it comes to rare baseball cards, nothing is |
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Posted By: Chad
Real snobs wouldn't appreciate a baseball card if you had a PSA 10 Reccius Wagner. Being a snob about baseball cards is like being a gourmet of vending machine snack cakes. We do this because we love it even if our reasons for loving it baffle even ourselves. If you want to impress the beautiful people, you're probably better off with cars or boats or art by famous, dead painters. |
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Posted By: cmoking
So Steve, are you telling me no Red Sox fan collect high grade cards? It's always funny to hear the Red Sox crying about money when they are consistently the 2nd highest paid team in the league. |
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Posted By: steve f
Nope. Most New Englanders are clever with their investments... Though we will pay $10 for a hot dog, $50 to park at Kenmore and $80 for bleacher seats. |
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Posted By: cmoking
Bruce, |
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Posted By: James Feagin
Am I the only one that thinks that Crandell, Dorskind, and "The Mint Man" should hook up and form the "triumvarate of carddom?"? |
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Posted By: Josh K.
This has got to be one of the most obnoxious posts Ive ever read - everyone beat up on Lee a few weeks ago for his post regarding those who purchase high grade cards. This post is no better. |
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Posted By: Chad
The back must have a photo of Rosie O'Donnell or something on it to warrant that grade! |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Chad, I'd probably have had to pass on the card if it had Rosie O'Donnell on the back |
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Posted By: Seth B.
"Dear me, Jeeves, I've noticed that nobody's spending $25,000 on cardboard in the B/S/T this month!" |
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Posted By: Rich Klein
Collecting is an individual pursuit and whether: |
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Posted By: Rob NYC
Josh, that is a freakingly AWESOME poor! Mind if I join ya? I got the same grade, but not as sharp as yours! |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Rob - |
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Posted By: Rob NYC
Ah! Sorry about that. |
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Posted By: Mike
I have specific areas that I covet. I drift off occasionally when something is just too neat to pass on. The cards I purchase, and the price I pay for them, depends on the rarity of the particular issue. I would be foolish to hold out for only 8's or 9's on the George C. Miller issues, or the U S Caramels. So grade 5's will have to do on those. On the other hand, 8's in the Diamond Star set are not that hard to find. On the ultra rare issues, sometimes I have to settle for a 1 or 2, if there are only 15 of each in existance. For me, I try and obtain the highest grades possible. But I have to be reasonable, sometimes the price also does not warrant putting too much cash into a single card. Why would I tie up large amounts of cash on the #1 card in the 34 Goudey set, by buying a grade 8, when a grade 5 will do? that frees up cash to obtain more things that fit my interest. But I must admit, I do try and get the best that I can. If that makes me a card snob, so be it. I also have about 30,000 cards from the late 50's and early 60's, that I collected as 8 year old kid. All beat to heck. But I played with them, and me and my friends had a ball with them. All most every friend I had collected cards. They are all probably all 2's and 3's, but I will never part with them. The memories are too great. So yes, I do appreciate "aged" cards also. Sometimes a well worn 206 is beautiful, I must admit. |
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Posted By: Chad
I appreciate the high condition stuff, and my hats off to the folks with the means and desire to collect them. I just don't get the chest beating, I guess. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Chad, I think you bring up a good point. A baseball card snob is hardly a snob in the real spectrum of snobbery. I don't know that Bruce (and Jim) are trying to again stir up class warfare; I think (hope) that Bruce is simply noting that as a high grade collector, he finds it frustrating to not be able to look in the B/S/T board and find high grade cards for sale that he'd like to buy. For what it's worth, I've had that frustration at times, too, even though I recognize that it's ludicrous to expect exactly what I want to buy - in the grade I want - to be staring at me in that forum. And Jay, I'm convinced you're from another time and planet and otherwise out of your mind -- yet if you ever make your way to NYC you need to call me so we can go out for a few beers. (by the way, that Gehrig card with the boy's name scrawled on it is, in my opinion, precious) |
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Posted By: Chad
This one's an SGC 84 and it's for sale. AND it's even a hall of famer. |
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Posted By: Chad
If you guys ever have that beer, I'll tag along if you'll have me. I'm on the Upper East Side. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I fully endorse what Rich Klein says in that "everyone is deserving of respect for what they collect and how they collect" and agree with King's comments on why few high grade cards are posted here. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Seems such a strange post, that anyone who has spent time reading and or participating on this board would think such a statement would bring anything but scorn and ridicule...........? |
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Posted By: andy becker
rich said it very well. thanks rich. |
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Posted By: John S
Bruce, I implore you to answer your own question. What types of responses did you expect? You either think that we are all hiding our high end cards (and I cannot imagine that you truly believe this) or you are implicating most members of this board as being low-class collectors of cards not deemed worthy by your standards. Collect what you prefer. Sorry that we have disappointed you with the lack of high quality material. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Jeff and Chad, if I ever make it to NYC again, I will be more than happy to grab a few beers with you guys. Jeff, you aren't the first person wonder the things you do about me. It's very possible that I do come from a another planet and different temporal reality |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1146707314/last-1146748779/SGC+84+T205+Matty |
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Posted By: Jerry
It's the GAME stupid!! I would hope most of us collect because We Love Baseball, and want to own a piece of the past. I hate it when the size and quality of your collection becomes a Status symbol... The fun of this hobby to me has always been about the game and The thrill of the search. Anybody with enough money can acquire a world class collection in short order. We all want nice cards in our collection, and are proud of what we do have. Some collect Beaters and some collect T206 Wagners and most of us are in the twain, but as long as were all having fun and enjoying the hobby, thats all that matters. |
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Posted By: JimB
Bruce, |
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Posted By: Cobby33
I would rather have a set of low-grade T206 variations (anyone have a Lundgren????) than a PSA 9 Fred Beck. To me, it seems elementary, but to those who insist on collecing high-grade material, go for it. |
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Posted By: Bob
"Being a snob about baseball cards is like being a gourmet of vending machine snack cakes." |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I think many collectors are not as enamored with PSA 10s, as PSA 10 collectors think they should be. Some collectors desire a card to look Gem Mint while others desire their 1910 card to look as if it was from 1910. There's no right or wrong involved there. |
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Posted By: leon
My guess is this would be about 100k in an SGC84 or SGC88 holder....but for 1/4 of that I got it and am very happy to have the extra money to pay the collection agency folks always calling me...Would pointed corners really make it 75k more valuable? I guess to many it would... |
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Posted By: Jim Crandell
DavidCycleback, |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
Gee JimB I was wondering the same thing. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
A rough calculation of Feb-April pick ups indicates that |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
This isn't the 1st intemperate post he's made w.r.t the card collecting habits of the hoi polloi (I happily include myself in that category, BTW). Just ignore it. |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
Bruce, |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Whenever any board member takes him or her herself too seriously (and we all do at times), go and tell someone on the street that you are a collector of baseball cards, and watch how seriously you are taken. ("Isn't that cute. My daughter collects Britany Spears cards. Maybe you can compare collections.") Realize that the general population considers collecting baseball cards on the significance level of collecting beanie babies and collector's plates. Good clean fun no doubt, but hardly anything to act snooty over. |
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