Top Ten Part 2- Cdvs, Cabinets, Trade Cards, etc.

[GaryPassamonte]

Piggybacking on the previous Top Ten thread, what do you think are the most valuable cdvs, cabinets, trade cards, hard images(dags, ambros, tintypes)? This might be more subjective than the other Top Ten thread since there is better chance of a piece being unique, although there are unique cards mentioned on the previous thread.

[oldjudge]

Here are a few possibilities. Corey can better address the early photographs.

1869 Cincinnati Peck and Snyder TRADE CARD (not the CdV)
1860 Atlantic’s CdV
1890 Ryder cabinet of Young
1888 N173 Ewing portrait
1890 Walden Smith Delahanty Players League cabinet
1866 Unions CdV with George Wright
1863 Harry Wright or George and Harry Wright Grand Match ticket
1871 Wright or Spalding Mort Rodgers scorecard

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Here are a few possibilities. Corey can better address the early photographs.

1869 Cincinnati Peck and Snyder TRADE CARD (not the CdV)
1860 Atlantic’s CdV
1890 Ryder cabinet of Young
1888 N173 Ewing portrait
1890 Walden Smith Delahanty Players League cabinet
1866 Unions CdV with George Wright
1863 Harry Wright or George and Harry Wright Grand Match ticket
1871 Wright or Spalding Mort Rodgers scorecard

Awesome list. Subscribed.

[GaryPassamonte]

Maybe 1864 Brooklyn Resolutes and 1865 Brooklyn Atlantics cdvs.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Maybe 1864 Brooklyn Resolutes and 1865 Brooklyn Atlantics cdvs.

As far as CdVs are concerned, the c. 1860 Atlantics to me is the most important/valuable one known. I would put the c. 1864 Resolutes second, and the 1865 Atlantics third (assuming a real one turns up (other than the one at the Library of Congress)). After those two I would put the 1871 Forest Citys with Anson.

[andybecker]

does Cy Young Cleveland Spiders make the list?

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by andybecker

does Cy Young Cleveland Spiders make the list?

I would definitely think so. Jay has it on his list. It is the Ryder cabinet.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Here are a few possibilities. Corey can better address the early photographs.

1869 Cincinnati Peck and Snyder TRADE CARD (not the CdV)
1860 Atlantic’s CdV
1890 Ryder cabinet of Young
1888 N173 Ewing portrait
1890 Walden Smith Delahanty Players League cabinet
1866 Unions CdV with George Wright
1863 Harry Wright or George and Harry Wright Grand Match ticket
1871 Wright or Spalding Mort Rodgers scorecard

Both of the Mort Rogers scorecards listed above should be on the list.

[andybecker]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

I would definitely think so. Jay has it on his list. It is the Ryder cabinet.

I should have been more specific

Would the 1893 Pifer and Becker make the list?

I actually prefer it to the Ryder, astatically speaking, though both are beautiful.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by andybecker

I should have been more specific

Would the 1893 Pifer and Becker make the list?

I actually prefer it to the Ryder, astatically speaking, though both are beautiful.

Here's the Jimmy McAleer Pifer & Becker...it's the best I can do...

[andybecker]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Here's the Jimmy McAleer Pifer & Becker...it's the best I can do...

that is beautiful as well.

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Here's the Jimmy McAleer Pifer & Becker...it's the best I can do...

That is a beauty. I love these 1880s-90s cabinets.

[Baseball Rarities]

I grabbed these images from the internet. They are the 1891 Ryder and the 1893 Pifer & Becker Cy Young cabinets from his days with the Cleveland Spiders.

[bigfanNY]

Are the Cy Young cabinets more valuable than the 1890 Just So. Or is that a card so excluded from this list? I agree on the 1871 Forest city image. Anson the big reason and that not a monetary but historical significance that Forest City played in the opening day game of the National Association in 1871 launching the first professional Baseball League.
Discussed many times here on Net54 are the period Woodcuts that depict many of these same players and teams for a tiny fraction of the price. A shame that a cabinet of the 1874 Boston team or better yet this image of the 1866 Arhletic of Philadelphia vs Atlantic of Brooklyn has yet to come to market as a photo.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Are the Cy Young cabinets more valuable than the 1890 Just So. Or is that a card so excluded from this list? I agree on the 1871 Forest city image. Anson the big reason and that not a monetary but historical significance that Forest City played in the opening day game of the National Association in 1871 launching the first professional Baseball League.
Discussed many times here on Net54 are the period Woodcuts that depict many of these same players and teams for a tiny fraction of the price. A shame that a cabinet of the 1874 Boston team or better yet this image of the 1866 Arhletic of Philadelphia vs Atlantic of Brooklyn has yet to come to market as a photo.

The Just So Cy Young card, which depicts the same image as the 1893 Pifer & Becker cabinet, is worth many multiples of either of the Cy Young cabinet cards. It is included in the lists of cards in the other thread.

Great woodcuts. The image of the 1874 Boston team is known in cabinet form.

[GaryPassamonte]

The centerpiece of my collection. I believe there are 2 or 3 known.

[bigfanNY]

Well I guess I tossed Gary a softball with my post. Great Photo. And I would say it would place somewhere in the top 10 most valuable cabinets etc. Thank you for sharing it Gary.

[BeanTown]

I know this one would not replace the awesome Cy Young Cabinets Kevin posted. But it is from early 1890s.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Are the Cy Young cabinets more valuable than the 1890 Just So. Or is that a card so excluded from this list? I agree on the 1871 Forest city image. Anson the big reason and that not a monetary but historical significance that Forest City played in the opening day game of the National Association in 1871 launching the first professional Baseball League.
Discussed many times here on Net54 are the period Woodcuts that depict many of these same players and teams for a tiny fraction of the price. A shame that a cabinet of the 1874 Boston team or better yet this image of the 1866 Arhletic of Philadelphia vs Atlantic of Brooklyn has yet to come to market as a photo.

It's an easy issue to get confused over but in 1871 there were actually two Forest City teams -- Cleveland and Rockford, and the first professional game in 1871 involved Cleveland; Anson played for the Rockfords. Cleveland's opponent was the Fort Wayne Kekionga team, which existed for that one season only.

I agree that woodcuts are a tremendous bargain compared to what other items sell for, and some of them as you point out show images not currently known in photographic form. That 1874 Boston cabinet in Gary's collection is my favorite 19th century team cabinet. It is an artistic pose depicting the best team of the period and on it were many HOFers and other important players.

[GaryPassamonte]

What about best tintype? I really like the Atwater team tintype.

[BeanTown]

Got this back in the 90s from the McGinnity collection that went to auction. This is supposed to be Joe at age 6.

[Directly]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Are the Cy Young cabinets more valuable than the 1890 Just So. Or is that a card so excluded from this list? I agree on the 1871 Forest city image. Anson the big reason and that not a monetary but historical significance that Forest City played in the opening day game of the National Association in 1871 launching the first professional Baseball League.
Discussed many times here on Net54 are the period Woodcuts that depict many of these same players and teams for a tiny fraction of the price. A shame that a cabinet of the 1874 Boston team or better yet this image of the 1866 Arhletic of Philadelphia vs Atlantic of Brooklyn has yet to come to market as a photo.

Question--What monetary value would you estimate on your 1871 Forest City Cabinet photo if you decided to sell ?--thanks

[oldjudge]

One of my favorites, the 1877 Boston team CdV with George, Harry, O'Rourke and White.

[GaryPassamonte]

That's a great cabinet, Jay.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

What about best tintype? I really like the Atwater team tintype.

Here's the c. 1858 Atwaters, as taken from Mark Rucker's book "Base Ball Metallica". It is a full-plate tintype and is the earliest tintype of which I am aware. It is also my favorite.

[GaryPassamonte]

Thanks for posting, Corey. That tintype is hard to beat. We have a lot of similar favorites.

[oldjudge]

1871 Osceola (Stratford, CT) with young Jim O’Rourke top right

[oldjudge]

1890 Cleveland PL with Delahanty and Browning

[oldjudge]

1876 Hartford CdV (only year in the NL)

[oldjudge]

1870 Forest City (IL) with Spalding and Barnes:

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

1870 Forest City (IL) with Spalding and Barnes:

All of those are really great to look at, Jay. Thanks for posting them.
I will let you guys hash out the top 10.

[Directly]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Piggybacking on the previous Top Ten thread, what do you think are the most valuable cdvs, cabinets, trade cards, hard images(dags, ambros, tintypes)? This might be more subjective than the other Top Ten thread since there is better chance of a piece being unique, although there are unique cards mentioned on the previous thread.

So when determined what are opinions of values $5,000 < $10.000 < $50,000 < ?

[GaryPassamonte]

Tom- I guess that depends on which image you are talking about and some values are not easy to determine, especially if there are no recent sales.