Absurd PWCC Shipping Cost........BEWARE

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by irv

Global is actually cheaper, which is shocking! I can still find dealers stateside who charge $3.00 dollars for shipping.

They are not insuring cards and sending them with tracking. Totally different ball game and they most certainly aren't putting the value on the customs form at that price.


Complicated issue in reality.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

They are not insuring cards and sending them with tracking. Totally different ball game and they most certainly aren't putting the value on the customs form at that price.


Complicated issue in reality.

The last time I tried to ship something insured to Canada it was ridiculously expensive and there were just no good options.

[Dpeck100]

PWCC is selling other people's cards. They can't take the risk of an item being sent internationally and some scammer saying they didn't get it.

This has happened to so many collectors over the years. They must send with protection for the seller and unfortunately it costs a lot to send to Canada now.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The last time I tried to ship something insured to Canada it was ridiculously expensive and there were just no good options.

Prices are all over the place. I have seen some as cheap as 6-9 dollars and some all the way up, like PWCC's, over $65. There is no way it costs PWCC that much money to insure, with tracking on cards less than $100-$150 dollars.

Like I have mentioned numerous times before, they are making bank with their shipping fees.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Prices are all over the place. I have seen some as cheap as 6-9 dollars and some all the way up, like PWCC's, over $65. There is no way it costs PWCC that much money to insure, with tracking on cards less than $100-$150 dollars.

Like I have mentioned numerous times before, they are making bank with their shipping fees.

They're disclosed, and there is no coercion, so I guess I don't really see the issue. Nothing wrong with making a profit, if they are.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They're disclosed, and there is no coercion, so I guess I don't really see the issue. Nothing wrong with making a profit, if they are.

It's against E-Bay rules to charge more for shipping than the actual cost, but we know how well that works.

Regardless, I didn't just stop purchasing from PWCC due to their shipping costs, but it will definitely be a deterrent in the future if I ever decide to again.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by irv

It's against E-Bay rules to charge more for shipping than the actual cost, but we know how well that works.

Regardless, I didn't just stop purchasing from PWCC due to their shipping costs, but it will definitely be a deterrent in the future if I ever decide to again.

This is not correct from what I just read you are absolutely allowed to charge a handling fee making it more than actual shipping costs. They will step in if charges are way out of line but saying you can not charge more than exact shipping is wrong

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/s...policy?id=4346

The only way I would allow shipping costs to deter me from bidding is if it made the card more than I wanted to spend. I don’t find addition and subtraction that difficult so I just factor the shipping cost into my bids.

[irv]

Originally Posted by glynparson

This is not correct from what I just read you are absolutely allowed to charge a handling fee making it more than actual shipping costs. They will step in if charges are way out of line but saying you can not charge more than exact shipping is wrong

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/s...policy?id=4346

The only way I would allow shipping costs to deter me from bidding is if it made the card more than I wanted to spend. I don’t find addition and subtraction that difficult so I just factor the shipping cost into my bids.

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Well, I guess it's all in how you interpret what it says above?
That aside, even with insurance, tracking and packaging, unless your item is being shipped in a bomb and theft proof iron box, there is no way it is costing them remotely close to what they are charging.

[jb217676]

I keep it quite simple. I don't bid on PWCC or Probstein auctions because of what they charge Canadians. I can find plenty to bid on with shipping charges anywhere from $2-$10. I just hate paying a minimum of $20-$32 in shipping from PWCC or Probstein.
Jeff

[irv]

Originally Posted by markf31

Running some quick cost estimates on the UPS website gave me this. Shipping from Lake Oswego, Oregon to Thunder Bay Ontario (because I like the name Thunder Bay). The package details and dimensions are for a 400 count card box shipped with a declared value of just $40.

The quoted shipping cost is $39.07. It might drop a little for a larger metropolitan area in Canada such as Toronto though. Is that a lot for a $40 item, yes of course. But I dont see how any fault lies with PWCC as it would seem they are charging what the actual shipping cost for them is, or very close to it.

Well, first off, TB is another 15 hrs north of me or 1427 kms so I am sure it would be more to ship there as opposed to where I am (just east of Toronto)

Regardless, if you go back and read this thread, you will see for yourself it's not just us Canucks who are complaining about PWCC's shipping, it's Americans as well.
For what it's worth, I just received a pkg worth $400 American the other day.
The cards were in top loaders sandwiched between taped cardboard wrapped in plastic placed inside a small box which was placed in a styrofoam peanut filled larger box placed inside a padded large Purolator envelope which was insured and had tracking all for $22 dollars.

Originally Posted by jb217676

I keep it quite simple. I don't bid on PWCC or Probstein auctions because of what they charge Canadians. I can find plenty to bid on with shipping charges anywhere from $2-$10. I just hate paying a minimum of $20-$32 in shipping from PWCC or Probstein.
Jeff

I hear you, Jeff. Probstein never shipped to Canada not that long ago but I assume they realized they were losing money so they decided to change that.

I have never purchased from Probstein and it's been a year or longer since I last did with PWCC. I don't see anything changing in that regard with them anytime soon.

[bobbyw8469]

Regardless, if you go back and read this thread, you will see for yourself it's not just us Canucks who are complaining about PWCC's shipping, it's Americans as well.
For what it's worth, I just received a pkg worth $400 American the other day.
The cards were in top loaders sandwiched between taped cardboard wrapped in plastic placed inside a small box which was placed in a styrofoam peanut filled larger box placed inside a padded large Purolator envelope which was insured and had tracking all for $22 dollars.

Seems awful cheap. Canadians need to realize. It is NOT AMERICANS FAULT that it cost an arm an a leg to ship to Canada. Canada is considered international.

[irv]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Seems awful cheap. Canadians need to realize. It is NOT AMERICANS FAULT that it cost an arm an a leg to ship to Canada. Canada is considered international.

My mistake, it likely wasn't insured?

"New message from: worldchamps00 Top Rated Seller(342Turquoise Star)
Sorry , no shipping to Canada unless you want to pay for Priority shipping $22. This is the only way to get tracking."

But then I received this from them, which they did. Needless to say, I will be purchasing from them again.

New message from: worldchamps00 Top Rated Seller(342Turquoise Star)
Hey, If not to late, I'll ship to Canada if you want to bid. THis lot has exceeded my expectation, so I'll pay the extra shipping if you win. Thanks for the info and good luck if you bid

[A2000]

As far as I know, there are no cheap methods to shipping from US to Canada with tracking. And if you're shipping to Canada without tracking, you're taking a big risk because sooner or later, someone will say they never got their package and you'll be screwed.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Seems awful cheap. Canadians need to realize. It is NOT AMERICANS FAULT that it cost an arm an a leg to ship to Canada. Canada is considered international.

It is also not an American seller's fault if they actually want to comply with the law and claim the appropriate item value on the customs form either.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

They are not insuring cards and sending them with tracking. Totally different ball game and they most certainly aren't putting the value on the customs form at that price.


Complicated issue in reality.

Insured, not likely, but tracking, yes.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by irv

Nor would most people who had that kind of money to spend on cards.

My problem with their shipping, and others is, it doesn't make much sense paying more or equal amounts for shipping than what you paid for the card.

I was glad to read the OP got a rebate. I asked once, after winning a $20 card from them if there was anything they could do with the shipping, but all I got was a sorry, those are our fees.

I knew the cost going in so it's no ones fault but mine, but after that transaction, and others, I quickly started looking around a little more carefully/patiently and found many others out there who don't charge near what they charge, and that was before they raised their current shipping fees.

Originally Posted by soxandcubbies

I agree with Irv.

Knowing a little bit about what it costs Irv to have cards shipped to Canada makes me question the sanity of Canadian card collectors on a budget. Actual costs are all that I will charge. Conservative valuations on customs forms can help our Canadian collector friends as well.

If I lived in Canada, I probably would not select a hobby that is postally dependent.

[irv]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Knowing a little bit about what it costs Irv to have cards shipped to Canada makes me question the sanity of Canadian card collectors on a budget. Actual costs are all that I will charge. Conservative valuations on customs forms can help our Canadian collector friends as well.

If I lived in Canada, I probably would not select a hobby that is postally dependent.

I question it too, Frank!

I have suspected, like what I have posted in post# 15 in this thread, is their shipping fees aren't based on actual costs, they are guesstimated. See for yourself that some of the fees make no sense based on value, or projected value.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=252091

And, from what I have also always thought is, depending where you live stateside, will also dictate what shipping will cost.

If I am not mistaken, the OP who started this thread and was/is complaining about PWCC shipping fees, also resides stateside.