Paper loss on Front = PSA 6

This is just plain silly. I can't imagine what ailment the grader has

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T-205-E...#ht_500wt_1205


Lets see those high grade paper loss examples that should be low grade

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Lets see those PSA high grade paper loss examples that should be low grade

fyp.

[CMIZ5290]

are you sure that's not the scan? maybe, tiny pieces of paper that had not been wiped off the holder? no way PSA missed that if it's paper loss.....

[SetBuilder]

I have a raw T206 Hulswitt card that looks like a PSA 8. Super sharp corners, no stains, excellent color and centering, etc. The only negative is a tiny speck of paper loss about 0.5mm in diameter (the tip of a pencil) on the front of the card, near the back of his head.

I'm sending it to PSA next month. I'm curious as to what grade it will get. Hopefully a 4 or 5?

[CMIZ5290]

Manny...my guess would be a psa 4. It's tough to get a psa 5 with obvious paper loss

[ullmandds]

IMPOSSIBLE...PSA would never miss paper loss...NEVER!!!!!

[Matthew H]

A tiny spec of paper loss downgrading an otherwise NM card to P-F is ridiculous IMO.

[E93]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

A tiny spec of paper loss downgrading an otherwise NM card to P-F is ridiculous IMO.

+1 JimB

That is a gorgeous card!

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

A tiny spec of paper loss downgrading an otherwise NM card to P-F is ridiculous IMO.

I guess I'm in the minority ... IMO the point of TPG should be to grade the card technically. Sometimes those in the hobby confuse the technical grade of a card with its beauty. If you grade a card a "5" how will a person know it has paperloss, even a spec?

The beauty of a card is subjective. The technical aspect is (well, should be) objective.

Hobbyists often error, IMO, by putting a value on a card based on its grade. Buy the card, not the grade! Let the TPG tell you it has paperloss, or a crease, or an ink mark, or that its trimmed. That stuff is valueable when buying online.

Rob

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I can't imagine what ailment the grader has

Maybe he thought it was Sunday.

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Maybe he thought it was Sunday.

Lmao. Let's just hope he got in the correct car to go home

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11
Maybe he thought it was Sunday.

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Lmao. Let's just hope he got in the correct car to go home

Wait a minute.... Was this card Also on the BST?

[esd10]

i read in a book called the card about the t206 honus wagner and from what they said its impossible for psa to look at every card from top to bottom they get. it was like 10 seconds or less a card and thats without hollidays,lunch and bathroom breaks and 365 days a year so i doubt every card unless its very high end gets the utmost attention that people pay all that money for. I'm not bashing psa they do a good job most of the time but when you see certain things it makes you wonder what they are doing and who is looking at the cards. Net54 should start a grading service and have the most advanced collectors look and slab our cards i know i would use it in a heart beat.

Originally Posted by esd10

i read in a book called the card about the t206 honus wagner and from what they said its impossible for psa to look at every card from top to bottom they get. it was like 10 seconds or less a card and thats without hollidays,lunch and bathroom breaks and 365 days a year so i doubt every card unless its very high end gets the utmost attention that people pay all that money for. I'm not bashing psa they do a good job most of the time but when you see certain things it makes you wonder what they are doing and who is looking at the cards. Net54 should start a grading service and have the most advanced collectors look and slab our cards i know i would use it in a heart beat.

I have often thought of this. I have even went as far as designing a slab to be black/charcoal in color and close to the same size as PSA's. A bright blue and white flip. If the card was crossed over the info of the grading co, grade, and cert number to be included on the back to cut down on pop report issues. The slab would also be made of lexan and sealed air tight. You would have to cut it open to free a card. For those who want protection but don't care about grades we would give an A grade with a notation stating numerical or altered. If altered it would have a code to show the alteration such as 3BT: lower left corner, bottom edge, trim. I would ask guys like Dan mackee, Ted z, and several others for help in authenticating and possibly grading certain issues. Who cares if we are collectors. We care more than them anyways and can give honest expert opinions. Also pricing structures would be flat rate wether its a Wagner or common. Your choice to pay for standard or expedited grading service. Who knows. If I had enough backing I would give it a shot. I have been working on a scanner type machine since 05 for grading cards. Needless to say I am electronically challenged and this is a feat that will cost in the $500,000 range for machine and program each. That's the quote from last yr

[CMIZ5290]

My point about tiny pieces of paper not wiped off happened to me on a card i bought from goodwin (nov. 11, 2011, lot #373). It is a psa 6 kid elberfeld that appeared to have several defects on the card. It was in fact tiny pieces of paper that had not cleaned off. Might be why it realized the price it did....

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Lets see those high grade paper loss examples that should be low grade

I've shown this before, but his entire left ear is missing:



No paper loss, but here is a nice example of what a PSA 10 should look like: