enough is enough

[packs]

I don't really see the connection to the discussion. The court has its own procedures in place and as far as I know there is no direct law that requires you to rise, although the judge has authority to hold you in contempt for not following their directives. None of that really has anything to do with the NFL, the protests, the spirit behind the protests, anti-military sentiment, or enjoying personal freedoms at work. A judge would hold you in contempt for disrupting court proceedings, not for exercising a freedom.

Teachers and union employees go on strike all the time. They aren't fired for it because it's their right to strike. A strike is a form of protest.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't really see the connection to the discussion. The court has its own procedures in place and as far as I know there is no direct law that requires you to rise, although the judge has authority to hold you in contempt for not following their directives. None of that really has anything to do with the NFL, the protests, the spirit behind the protests, anti-military sentiment, or enjoying personal freedoms at work. A judge would hold you in contempt for disrupting court proceedings, not for exercising a freedom.

Teachers and union employees go on strike all the time. They aren't fired for it because it's their right to strike. A strike is a form of protest.

You don't see the connection because you don't want to see the connection. There is no connection to employees who strike either. But, since you mentioned it, do striking employees get paid (and I mean by their employer)? Nope. So, my argument about their right to protest at work still holds true. They shouldn't do it while on the clock.

We need to make a few more examples like Kaepernick because obviously some NFL players are too stupid to get it.

[packs]

I don't know what makes somebody stupid because they're tired of institutionalized racism. And I don't know what makes someone stupid for taking a stand against an injustice they feel they have the power to change. That is as American as it gets.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know what makes somebody stupid because they're tired of institutionalized racism. And I don't know what makes someone stupid for taking a stand against an injustice they feel they have the power to change. That is as American as it gets.

They're stupid because they choose to do it while at work. That's what makes them stupid. Let them do it on their own free time, not at work.

[packs]

The NFL can stop paying them any time it likes. It knows the consequences of that decision. These players hold immense power in their profession and I am of the opinion that it's great to see how they choose to wield that power.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packs

The NFL can stop paying them any time it likes. It knows the consequences of that decision. These players hold immense power in their profession and I am of the opinion that it's great to see how they choose to wield that power.

Actually they hold no power. The NFL has a rule against what they are doing. The players have a labor agreement that they signed. The league has every right to discipline the players, they are just too weak to do it. The NBA came out today and said that it will punish players who protest during the national anthem.I guess you think the NBA will go out of business.

I saw a poll today. 62% plan to watch less football. 36% plan to buy less merchandise. 32% plan to not attend a game they previously planned on attending. I will not watch the NFL until they change their policy. I had planned on going to a 2nd game this year, no longer. I have no problem with players protesting, just not the anthem. What they are doing is disrespecting those who have served and died for this country. Claiming they are protesting something else doesn't change that fact.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

They're stupid because they choose to do it while at work. That's what makes them stupid. Let them do it on their own free time, not at work.

I think you label them as "stupid" because you don't like it and would prefer not to see it. For you I offer the LPGA as an alternative on Sundays.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

I think you label them as "stupid" because you don't like it and would prefer not to see it. For you I offer the LPGA as an alternative on Sundays.

No, once again, they're stupid because they tried (and did) make an example of Kaepernick, but the players didn't learn anything from that. I hope it happens with more players. Hey, I'm fine with a bunch of scrubs suiting up and playing on Sunday.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, once again, they're stupid because they tried (and did) make an example of Kaepernick, but the players didn't learn anything from that. I hope it happens with more players. Hey, I'm fine with a bunch of scrubs suiting up and playing on Sunday.

People vote with their feet. Either the protestors will win or the protestors that protest the protesters...... I not going to give my opinion on what side i am on but at least its not violent protests or causing anyone else to get hurt (ie. preventing an ambulance from going somewhere etc)

Again, i may be for or against it..but at least theres that..

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, once again, they're stupid because they tried (and did) make an example of Kaepernick, but the players didn't learn anything from that. I hope it happens with more players. Hey, I'm fine with a bunch of scrubs suiting up and playing on Sunday.

Or perhaps the players are willing to take that chance because the issue is that important to them. Not sure why anyone would label that "stupid" but I have my suspicions as to why you choose that term. As a follow-up, if the flag and the anthem is that sacred to you and others, why not just boycott the games? I mean no one's forcing you to watch a bunch of stupid, unpatriotic African Americans disrespecting the military. Seems like complete hypocrisy to complain about it, condemn it, and then spend all day watching games. Just saying

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't really see the connection to the discussion. The court has its own procedures in place and as far as I know there is no direct law that requires you to rise, although the judge has authority to hold you in contempt for not following their directives. None of that really has anything to do with the NFL, the protests, the spirit behind the protests, anti-military sentiment, or enjoying personal freedoms at work. A judge would hold you in contempt for disrupting court proceedings, not for exercising a freedom.

Teachers and union employees go on strike all the time. They aren't fired for it because it's their right to strike. A strike is a form of protest.

it's just communism like these worthless protests are. entitled little children throwing tantrums. unions, protests, marching...etc Marxist, smug, rubbish.