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Old 08-10-2017, 11:29 PM
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I am not looking at the pictures off the site from where I sit, but the images that have been posted. The cheekbones are visible. Also, please feel free to compare the chin in the side by side photos of Paul Waner you provided and the picture of the young Paul Waner from my picture which you posted next to Waner in a Pirates uniform. I'm sorry, but it is Paul Waner.
You don't know what cheekbones are - you have not studied this subject.

Assuming the chins matched perfectly (they don't) - it still can't possibly be Waner if the ears and nose don't match. Sorry for being logical.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:37 PM
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You don't know what cheekbones are - you have not studied this subject.

Assuming the chins matched perfectly (they don't) - it still can't possibly be Waner if the ears and nose don't match. Sorry for being logical.
I may not study the subject, but the cheekbones and the chin match. These are points of identification. This is Paul Waner.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:48 PM
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I may not study the subject, but the cheekbones and the chin match. These are points of identification. This is Paul Waner.
LOL - so everyone with matching chins and cheekbones is the same person. Hard to to debate such powerful logic.

BTW, cheekbones are easiest to see in photos of very thin people (like female models). In people of normal weight, it can be very difficult to pinpoint the location. Anyone interested can google for a human skull and look for the bone usually labeled "zygomatic". Then see if you can find Waner's zygomatic bone.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:55 PM
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LOL - so everyone with matching chins and cheekbones is the same person. Hard to to debate such powerful logic.

BTW, cheekbones are easiest to see in photos of very thin people (like female models). In people of normal weight, it can be very difficult to pinpoint the location. Anyone interested can google for a human skull and look for the bone usually labeled "zygomatic". Then see if you can find Waner's zygomatic bone.
So you are telling me to get "zyggy" with it?

It's Paul Waner. Sorry, but the points match and that, along with the other pictures I have seen of Paul Waner over the last 30+ years is good for me.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:14 AM
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So you are telling me to get "zyggy" with it?

It's Paul Waner. Sorry, but the points match and that, along with the other pictures I have seen of Paul Waner over the last 30+ years is good for me.
I can't think of a better example of how collectors can come to believe the unbelievable. I am sure Brian actually thinks this guy is Waner and that there is no ill-intent at all on his part. Just be careful when you think you have found a previously unknown photo of a Hall-of-Famer (and don't forget to be sure that the uniform style dating doesn't correspond to the player being 2 years old).
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:20 AM
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I can't think of a better example of how collectors can come to believe the unbelievable. I am sure Brian actually thinks this guy is Waner and that there is no ill-intent at all on his part. Just be careful when you think you have found a previously unknown photo of a Hall-of-Famer (and don't forget to be sure that the uniform style dating doesn't correspond to the player being 2 years old).
LOL. I will amusingly disagree.

No hard feelings.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:45 AM
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Let's argue about this! Is this Ty Cobb or what on this tin type? Yes I know tin types are from 1860-70 so I imagine this could be his Dad. Tin type is top left and the other two are early 1905/06 pictures of Ty.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:58 AM
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Let's argue about this! Is this Ty Cobb or what on this tin type? Yes I know tin types are from 1860-70 so I imagine this could be his Dad. Tin type is top left and the other two are early 1905/06 pictures of Ty.
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:24 AM
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Let's argue about this! Is this Ty Cobb or what on this tin type? Yes I know tin types are from 1860-70 so I imagine this could be his Dad. Tin type is top left and the other two are early 1905/06 pictures of Ty.
Nothing to argue about - ears don't match, not Ty Cobb. Also the tiptype guy has a chin cleft which I haven't seen apparent in any Cobb photo. And of course it's a tintype, which makes as much sense for a Cobb image as Paul Waner wearing a 1900s collared uniform.
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Clearly it's not Cobb, but tintype photos were still being made into the 1900s.
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