This section of a plate scratch sheet mirrors part of the Wagner strip

[Pat R]

The back of "C-D" plate scratch sheet was used on two different sets of
fronts as two different subjects for each scratch confirms.

A section of that sheet mirrors three positions of the Wagner strip.

Here's the Wagner strip
Wagner Strip.jpg

Here's the section on the sheet that mirrors it
Sheet%20C-D_1.jpg

Kling, Young and Brown (Port) are in the same position as the Wagner strip
CD-Partial - Copy.jpg

here's the M.Brown (Port), Kling and Young (port) scratches
Brown_Port_.jpg
Kling_1.jpg
Young Portrait.jpg

The second subjects in the Pattee and Reulbach positions are not
confirmed yet so it's possible that the matching scratch for Pattee could
be Bowerman. There are only two PD150 Wagner's that I know of and
neither has a plate scratch to confirm his position but he could have been in the Reulbach position and then replaced by another subject.

Another interesting thing about this sheet is most of the 150 only subjects
are all together in a horizontal row, they include Evers(Cubs), Doyle (Throwing), Donlin (Fielding)
M.Brown (Cubs), Pattee, Reulbach, Burch, Ames, and Schulte who I consider a 150 only subject.
The other 150 only subjects that don't have confirmed scratches on this sheet are Wagner, Magie (fixed name), G.Browne (team change)
and Powers who is the only 150 only subject in the SC150/649 subset and he has confirmed scratches on another plate scratch sheet (the A-B sheet).
Evers,Schulte,Stone,Donlin.jpg
Brown (Cubs),Pelty,Pattee,Reulbach.jpg
Burch,Ames.jpg


It could be just a coincidence that the three subjects on the Wagner strip with confirmed scratches
are in the same position on this sheet but I think it's interesting either way.

[Leon]

Nice research again, Pat.

[Luke]

I typed up a post a couple days ago, but I guess I didn't hit send or something. Anyway, I found this incredibly interesting. I have been wondering if we would ever figure out why the 150 Only guys who appear later in the set were pulled early. It makes perfect sense that it would have been based on convenience more than anything.

Great work Pat!

[atx840]

Great research Pat, as always...Ill email you as I want to hear more about this.

PS, always loved this strip....tried to recreate it a few years ago to get it printed but again it ended up as an unfinished project.

[Pat R]

After searching several years for a plate scratch on Frank Bowerman I finally found one and as I suspected from existing plate scratch information it's a match to the plate scratch
found on Harry Pattee and it also matches Bowermans position on the Wagner strip.

Four years ago I posted in this thread and another thread about the possibility of this scratch being found on Bowerman.

Originally Posted by Pat R

The back of "C-D" plate scratch sheet was used on two different sets of
fronts as two different subjects for each scratch confirms.

A section of that sheet mirrors three positions of the Wagner strip.

Here's the Wagner strip
Attachment 289296

Here's the section on the sheet that mirrors it
Attachment 289297

Kling, Young and Brown (Port) are in the same position as the Wagner strip
Attachment 289318

here's the M.Brown (Port), Kling and Young (port) scratches
Attachment 289299
Attachment 289300
Attachment 289301

The second subjects in the Pattee and Reulbach positions are not
confirmed yet so it's possible that the matching scratch for Pattee could
be Bowerman. There are only two PD150 Wagner's that I know of and
neither has a plate scratch to confirm his position but he could have been in the Reulbach position and then replaced by another subject.

Another interesting thing about this sheet is most of the 150 only subjects
are all together in a horizontal row, they include Evers(Cubs), Doyle (Throwing), Donlin (Fielding)
M.Brown (Cubs), Pattee, Reulbach, Burch, Ames, and Schulte who I consider a 150 only subject.
The other 150 only subjects that don't have confirmed scratches on this sheet are Wagner, Magie (fixed name), G.Browne (team change)
and Powers who is the only 150 only subject in the SC150/649 subset and he has confirmed scratches on another plate scratch sheet (the A-B sheet).
Attachment 289314
Attachment 289315
Attachment 289316


It could be just a coincidence that the three subjects on the Wagner strip with confirmed scratches
are in the same position on this sheet but I think it's interesting either way.

Originally Posted by Pat R

I've seen it discussed more than once here if the portraits and action poses
were grouped together on sheets and from what I have on the plate scratch
sheets I think whoever said that might be right.

As far as the printing goes I don't know if there would be a reason
for them to have them laid out that way maybe Steve B or one of the guy's with printing experience will chime in.

I've narrowed the plate scratch sheets down to four sheets or partial sheets
and they all have the portraits and action poses separated in different groups.

Sheet #1 is a double scratch sheet so there are two front's for this
sheet and all the portraits are grouped together on both ends.

The first sheet 1A has the only missing plate scratch from the #1 sheet on it, this scratch would be a match to
O'Leary portrait who is on the 1B sheet and based on the pattern I think this scratch should be found on a portrait.
Attachment 294645

The same back template was used on 1B and the scratches match the back
of 1A. This PD150 sheet is comprised of all Sweet Caporal 150/649 subjects
and contains all of the portraits that are in the subset of 34. Again all of
the portraits are on the ends.
Attachment 294646

Sheet #2 is the another sheet that the back plate was used on two sets of fronts.

2A is all action poses. This sheet has 11 of the 150 seies only cards on it (if you count Schulte front view as a 150 only which I do).
Attachment 294654

Sheet 2B is missing three scratches that match subjects from 2A but the rest
are all portraits.
Attachment 294655

Three of the five positions on this sheet match the Wagner strip that was
discovered in his uniform pocket when his house was sold.

I'm hoping one of the missing plate scratches is eventually found on Bowerman and I think the other missing scratch from this section will
be found on the subject that replaced Wagner on this sheet.

Here's a row on this sheet compared to the Wagner strip.
Attachment 294656

Here are a few examples of the matching pair scratches from this sheet.
All the scratches have a portrait with the exact scratch on an action pose
that matches it.
Attachment 294658Attachment 294659
Attachment 294660

Sheet #3 has four portraits and the plate scratches put them all together
in the middle of this sheet.
Attachment 294657

Sheet #4 puzzles me. I think it's definitely a partial sheet but I haven't been
able to link it to any of the other sheets. I don't know if the scratche(s) end
abruptly with Kleinow or if I just haven't found the other scratches which
would be odd because I have seen several examples for each subject of
the scratches on this sheet.
This partial sheet is all action poses.
Attachment 294663

I'm pretty sure that this sheet ends with Oldring on the left because I've seen
three Oldrings with this scratch and a big corner crop.

Here's two of the Oldring Crops with the same scratch.
Attachment 294664


I think this is quite a lot of evidence that the portraits and action poses
could have been grouped together.

Check your Bowermans it would be great if we could find one with this scratch.
Pattee.jpg

Or one that matches the Wagner position, I'm thinking it could be Doc White
portrait.
Attachment 294670

Here is the new Bowerman that matches Pattee

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Here's the section of the plate scratches with the Wagner strip subjects
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and when you turn them over the fronts are in the same position as the Wagner strip
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I think this adds enough evidence to say that the Wagner strip is from an unfinished section of this sheet.

[parkerj33]

Pat this is absolutely phenomenal.

I need to look through my ~1300+ t206s to see what i can add....