T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cincyredlegs

Ted,

This is my favorite thread on Net54. I have learned so much reading this thread.

Part of the allure of this set is the theories and "best guesses" as to why and how these cards were made. What cards came with what backs. What has been confirmed and what hasn't. Nobody has the exact answer and maybe nobody will. All we can do is conduct our best deductive reasoning.

I started the set in 2013 and on Thursday when the next 5 cards arrive, my number will be 395. My plan was to finish the set in 10 years so I am doing pretty well. I thought I would stop when I finished the set but now thinking I may see how many different cards (front/back combos) I can get. This set definitely has a very deep rabbit hole. LOL.

Mark

Hey Mark

Your set is 77 % complete....I would be willing to bet you'll have a 520-card set by the end of this year.

And then, as those haunting lyrics in the song Hotel California say.... "You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave".

The T206 MONSTER has you !

But, that is not a bad thing. I've been collecting T206's for 40 years now; and, I am still sane. At least my family will attest to that


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Hey guys, anyone here interested in smoking a 108 year old American Beauty cigarette
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................. Some of the really difficult to find AB 460 cards in this sub-set .................



I acquired this AB 460 Cobb early in the game of starting an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 run.
I was tempted to crack it out and resubmit it to PSA, hoping for a Vg-Ex grade.

When I purchased this Cobb, it's pop report (PSA + SGC) data indicated only 4 examples.
I received a number of calls and emails asking me if I would sell it. I said absolutely not.






Some years later, this AB 460 Cobb (ungraded) was available. I purchased it with the thought in mind
to sell the 1st Cobb (which appeared to me to be a higher grade). So, I sold the 1st Cobb to a friend.


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And guess what ?
Contrary to my thinking, the 2nd Cobb graded the same as the 1st Cobb. Absolutely amazing !






I'm curious, how many of you consider down-grading some of your T206's ?


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

The down grading thought has never crossed my mind. Now if I had some PSA 8's, 9's, or 10's, then I'd more than likely down grade them to 4's. Top pop is less important to me and getting other cards I need is more important.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

The down grading thought has never crossed my mind. Now if I had some PSA 8's, 9's, or 10's, then I'd more than likely down grade them to 4's. Top pop is less important to me and getting other cards I need is more important.

Hi Ron

I learned this trick when I broke-up my 2nd T206 set (in order to assemble my all-PIEDMONT set). I had six T206 HOFers in that 2nd set that graded very high (7's and 8's).
By selling those gems, I was able to afford purchasing twenty HOFers and approx. 50 commons for my PIEDMONT set.
Like you, I'm a collector....not an "investor" in cardboard


TED Z
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[tedzan]

As I have already said, if I am lucky enough to have a T206 which grades a 7, or 8, or 9, I don't hold onto it. Shucks, I cannot discern any difference between these cards, anyway.

My T206 collection ranges from Vg to Ex cards. And, I'm very happy with them. The greater majority of them are un-graded. Here are some examples of my highest graded T206's.


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TED Z
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[tedzan]

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LENOX cigarettes were manufactured at Factory #30 in New York. The LENOX brand was mainly distributed in New York, New England, and New Jersey.
AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, LENOX, and UZIT cards were the last T206's printed by American Lithographic (circa January/February 1911).
The Exclusive 12 subjects in the 460-only series were NOT printed with LENOX backs.


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My first LENOX card acquired in Cooperstown in 1991 for $15.





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Black LENOX confirmed list........

To date....a total of 81 subjects have been confirmed (from a possible 96 subjects. The series breakdown is as follows:

350/460 Series......47 confirmed Black LENOX cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)

Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Street (catching)

Tinker (bat off shoulder)
White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series....34 confirmed Black LENOX cards (complete)

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms over head)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Doyle (portrait)
Frill
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)

Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


OK guys, show us your LENOX cards. Perchance, some one on this forum will post a new LENOX card which can be added to the checklist.


TED Z
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[KingFisk]

Ted, not to interrupt the great posts full of info but wanted to announce that yesterday, with the arrival of Bill Burns, Scoops Carey (Brown Hindu), and Jake Stahl (no glove showing, and from a transaction here on Net54), I have hit 520 and climbed Monster Mountain. Thank you so much for all of the wisdom passed down in this threat and others. What a thrill!