Sweet Cap (Fac. 30) set-No Wagner, Magie, Doyle & St Lo vars.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Many T206 collectors become frustrated when they cannot fully complete their T206 set since the "Big Six" cards are un-
attainable. I fully completed an all-Sovereign set, simply because I knew in advance that I didn't have to acquire the "Big
Six". Furthermore, I didn't have to "sweat" the 48 - Southern Leaguers, either.

Consider an all-Sweet Caporal, Factory 30 sub-set. This set is very predictable (as there are no "tricky" No Prints). By my
count you will need only 470 cards. The Big 5 Subjects, and Lundgren, do not exist with the Sweet Cap Factory 30 backs.

T206 Subjects not printed with Sweet Cap Fac 30 backs......

Honus Wagner (Pittsburg)
Ray Demmitt (St. Louis)
Joe Doyle (NY Nat'l)
Carl Lundgren (Cubs)
Sherry Magie (portrait)
Bill O'Hara (St. Louis)

Also, those pesky 48 - Southern Leaguers were not printed with any Sweet Caporal backs.


With these 7 stars (and 8 others) and approx. 80+ commons to start with, I am seriously considering collecting this set.
Sweet Cap/30 cards are very available....2nd only to the Piedmont (Fac. 25) cards,.





Beware, though....you will finally need this card with a Sweet Cap 350, Fac. 30 back.




OK....Net54er's, anyone out there willing to try this challenge ?


T-Rex TED

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Posted By: peter ullman

Ted...you're the chosen one...good luck!

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Posted By: T206Collector

...Lionel Carter's Plank is a Factory 30 - 2d Dist NY. The back scan on Mastro's website is a little fuzzy on the 30, but I think I can make out the NY instead of the VA.





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Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

If the Plank is a "NY", then it is a Sweet Cap 350, Factory 30.

The 1st series Plank is a Sweet Cap 150, Factory 25.

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Posted By: barry arnold

I say go for it, TRex.
You're the MAN!

best,
barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Guys and Gals......

I'm looking for any Sweet Caporal (only Factory 30) cards that you would be willing to trade for their
equivalent Piedmont counterparts.

Anyone out there interested in such a trade, please contact me ?

Thanks,

The T-Rex TED of Net54

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I would like to thank several Net54 readers who have responded to my above request to trade their Sweet Cap (Fac. 30)
cards for my T206's with other backs. What a GREAT hobby with a lot of GREAT people in it.

TED Z

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Posted By: Jantz

If so, contact me. I don't want anything in return though. Its yours for free. Let me know.

Jantz

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Posted By: Ken W.

Not implying anything, but is the font on the Plank card that Ted posted significantly different than Paul's Lionel Carter Plank? What's up with that?

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Posted By: scott brockelman

The front and back as shown do not match up. I have my suspicions that it's a reback. Perhaps Ted just used it for illustration purposes and it's not his.

Scott

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Posted By: MVSNYC

the front that Ted posted is a reprint...

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Posted By: Ken W.

That's what I thought, Mike. Just didn't want to say it out loud! Illustrative purposes only, I'm sure.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Hey guys......SCOTT B says it best......"Perhaps Ted just used it for illustration purposes".

Real Sweet Caporal 350, Fac. 30 back......obvious reprint Plank front. The team lettering "PHILA. AMER." is the clue.

Now, that we've settled that....let's talk about the more substative aspects of doing a Sweet Cap 350, Fac. 30 sub-set.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Speaking about the T206 Eddie Plank card, you have both Sweet Caporal versions of the Plank card. Can you tell us which series
back is more available..... ?

1st Series.....Sweet Cap 150, Fac. 25

2nd Series.....Sweet Cap 350, Fac. 30


Thanks,

TED Z

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Posted By: scott brockelman

Ted, In my limited exploration of trying to determine which series is scarer I came to the conclusion that it was about 50/50. IF, I were to give a nod one way or the other I would say the 350 series is actually a bit more common. Which is somewhat odd, as up til approximately 30 years ago the 350 series was not even known to the hobby.

Scott

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Posted By: T206Collector

<<Which is somewhat odd, as up til approximately 30 years ago the 350 series was not even known to the hobby.>>

Not to be a nay-sayer, but how could that be possible if one of the most prolific writers on the subject of pre-war cards prior to the 1980's was Lionel Carter, who owned this 350 series Plank since circa 1957?

Would it be more accurate to say that most collectors of T206 cards did not pay that much attention to the different series until more recently? Otherwise, one would have expected Carter to chime in with his 350 Series Plank....

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I think you answered your question.....the old hobbyist were primarily concerned with the fronts of the T206's.

It really wasn't until Bill Heitman in the 1970's started making some sense of the various T-brands in "The Monster".

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your expertise on the two versions of the Plank card's availability. I find it quite interesting that
you say the "350" card of Plank...."is a more recent discovery". As, I have always been bewildered.....why,
once Plank was withdrawn by ATC in the 1st series....he re-appears again in the 2nd series.

Furthermore, why Plank cards are not found with Piedmont backs (except for the single P150 "scrap" card that
is known). Too many unanswered questions regarding this "mystery" card. I have my theory (Amer. Caramel vs
ATC); and, I am continuing to research old documents to prove (or disprove) this theory.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

OK.....I'm on my way, THANKS to Net54 readers and posters, who have emailed me and offered their Sweet Cap.
Factory 30 cards. I have traded for, or purchased, 100+ cards this past week from these offers. Adding these to
the 97 cards I had to start with, I'm now 44% of the way to the 470 cards needed to complete a Sweet Caporal
(all Fac. 30) set.

What a great hobby this is....and, what a great group of people that tune in to Net54.


Some of the Stars that I acquired this week......




And, some of the Tougher ones......





TED Z

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Posted By: JimB

It has always been a mystery as to why Plank was reissued in the 350 series since it was apparently pulled from 150 distribution and then again quickly pulled from 350 distribution. Perhpas it was just a mistake. Maybe he was pulled from 150 distribution for some contractual reason and when they started the 350 series, whoever was working that day just started printing Planks since the plate was there. Then his boss found out that Plank had mistakenly been included again and pulled the Plank again.
JimB

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Posted By: JimB

Accidental double post. Sorry.
jimB

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

My wild imagination says that the 2nd Series Plank cards (Factory 30 NY), were primarily intended for distribution in the greater
New York area. Thus, ATC tried to circumvent the "cease & desist" order that American Caramel forced on ATC regarding their
portrayal of Plank on any of ATC's tobacco cards. But, this did not go unnoticed by either Connie Mack, Daniel Lafean, or Eddie
Plank. So, once again ATC had to yank their Plank.

This of course assumes my theory regarding Am. Car. vs ATC is valid.

TED Z

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Posted By: barry arnold

great cards and very fast work, TRex.
looks like you may beat jamie's pace!!!!!

your ATC--Caramel argument continues to look very convincing methinks.

JimB, you do show a realistic understanding of the pervasive lack of competence---no matter the time period; i.e. I can see someone making the goof you elucidate with no cognizance of the import of his particular blunder.

best,
Barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your kind words, and these....."your ATC--Caramel argument continues to look very convincing methinks."

It's nice to know that that some appreciate my research.

And, tell me about "Jamie's pace" ?

TED Z

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Posted By: barry arnold

Hi Ted,
I gave you a hint at the end of my last response---his login
on net54 involves the word 'blunder'.
He's been buying 206s faster than a speeding bullet to the amazement of several of us!

all the best,TRex

barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I do recall this fellow now.

Thanks.....and how close are you to your "complete" Monster ?

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Ron

Hi Ted,
Let me know how far you want to take it. Would be willing to trade.
Regards,
Ron

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Posted By: quan

is the offer only for ted or what kind of stuff are you looking back for the plank?

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Posted By: Ron

Hi Quan,
If Ted happened to have the 150 back, I would be willing to trade. The
back doesnt really mean much to me. Don't really want to get rid of it yet.

Regards,
Ron

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Posted By: quan

thanks ron,

that's what i was figuring...you were trading for a different plank. beautiful card!

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Posted By: barry arnold

Trex
Many thanks for asking---still 2 away, although i did pick up an extra back i've been wanting(the ole Fact. 42 Pied).
also have been having some fun acquiring some 206 era cigarette packs:
an American Beauty(Mint 9),a sweet cap,a Pirate, and a Mecca--loads of fun.

best,
herbivore barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I don't have a Sweet Cap 150 Plank to trade you. But, I have "tons" of vintage stuff to trade. Or perhaps, you would entertain
a cash/trade deal for your Plank ?

Email me, if you are interested......

tedzan11@comcast.net

Regards,
TED Z

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Any Progress on your Sweet Cap factory 30 set Ted ?

[tedzan]

Nelson

Incidently, the title is incorrect (my bad)....Wagner is indeed found with a SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #30 back.

Anyhow, I needed only Plank and Wagner to complete this Sweet Cap set of 469 cards. I was not about to spend the big $$$$$ to acquire those two cards.

My $$$$$ are better spent on my wife, my two Daughters, and my three Grandchildren.

So, shortly after I accumulated this 467-card set, I broke it up and sold the cards individually (and in group lots). I probably still have approx. 60 cards from
this Sweet Cap, Factory #30 set.

Thanks for inquiring,


T-Rex TED

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Nice !