???PSA 60's Special???? - Grades popped!! The eagle has landed!

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

The data scientist cherry-picked his data...

I have a lot of data on this. I'm not guessing here and I have no agenda to push. I submit to whoever is going to make me the most money when grading cards to sell. Which means I submit to both PSA and SGC, depending on the card.

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I'm in agreement Scott....as a whole, PSA brings higher prices. Do you notice that in your auctions as well Scott? I would LOVE to see them both bring the same comps. That is simply not reality though.

You cannot just look at 10 random PSA 6 copies of a card and compare them with 10 random SGC 6 copies of the same card and make the claim that PSA brings higher prices than SGC because those PSA 6s outsold the SGC 6s. Not with vintage. You can't even make that claim across 100 copies of each, or even 100 copies each of 1,000 different cards. That was my entire point in creating that thread. If you want to answer the question of which TPG sells for more, PSA or SGC, then you have to take THE SAME CARD and send it to both PSA and SGC and only then can you determine which one outsells the other. Then you have to specify which cards you're talking about; post-war vintage commons, vintage HOFers with soft corners, OC cards, ultra-modern, etc. It all matters, and you're leaving money on the table if you haven't figured that out yet.

If I have a card that I know will get a 4 at both PSA and SGC, like an otherwise EX-MT card with a tiny surface wrinkle, then I'm sending it to PSA because yes, in that case, it will sell for more as a PSA 4. But If I have a dead-centered 1954 Topps Hank Aaron RC with slightly soft corners and a flawless surface, I'd be making a financial blunder by sending it to PSA because SGC is going to give that card a higher grade nearly every single time.

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

In my experience, all things being equal, PSA cards go for more. If an SGC card has screaming eye appeal for the grade that can be an obvious exception.

HOF'ers the gap is smaller, commons the gap is HUGE at the higher grades, easily explainable by the lack of a set registry.

Yes, for commons, the gap is much more significant. Particularly at the higher grades. Even a PSA 8 will often compete with an SGC 9 for some random 1970s Topps common.

[JollyElm]

What kind of complete and utter maniac grades commons?????!!!!!!!!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I have definitely started sending a lot of the stuff I used to send to PSA over to SGC now. But for certain cards, it's still worth the gamble at PSA. Sometimes you get a fair grader there. It's a roll of the dice. I use my own grading probability distributions to decide where to send what.

With all the noise from vintage collectors screaming from the rooftops at PSA regarding harsh grades of vintage, you'd have to assume at some point they actually start listening to their customers and hold a grading realignment meeting with the grading team. Especially when those complaints are coming from long time seasoned hobby vets who know what they're talking about. Perhaps that has recently happened? It's still too early to tell, but my most recent submission and this submission both being accurate is at least a sign of hope.

i hope that happens. I have hundreds of cards I haven't sent in because it's just not worth it in a harsh, punishing grading environment, but would like to grade them someday if there is hope for accuracy.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Brent...I didn't see you on this one??? That's odd, eh?

Yeah, I missed the boat on this one. I was vacationing when you announced it. I’ll be back, though, assuming you’ll have me.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

i hope that happens. I have hundreds of cards I haven't sent in because it's just not worth it in a harsh, punishing grading environment, but would like to grade them someday if there is hope for accuracy.

I know that some people who have been grading since the start claim that PSA goes in cycles, oscillating back and forth between harsher grades and softer grades. This hasn't been my observation, but it seems plausible. I've been waiting for a correction for years now. We'll know soon enough if it's actually here or if it's still business as usual though. That data will come in pretty quickly.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I know that some people who have been grading since the start claim that PSA goes in cycles, oscillating back and forth between harsher grades and softer grades. This hasn't been my observation, but it seems plausible. I've been waiting for a correction for years now. We'll know soon enough if it's actually here or if it's still business as usual though. That data will come in pretty quickly.

I have a few hundred cards out at any given time. Unfortunately I haven't noticed a pattern, but if I start to see something I'll share.

[bobbyw8469]

We got a tracking number....cards should be back soon.

[cubman1941]

Thanks. Can't wait to get them. I appreciate you doing this for us, Bobby.

[bobbyw8469]

The eagle has landed. Everyone be patient while I work to get these back out asap!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Gauging interest in the PSA 60's special.....the only catch is, I got an 8 day cruise coming up so that will leave out a major chunk of time near the end of the month.

Able to get them all done except the biggest one, and it will go out tonight.