BST Ediquite Question:

[clydepepper]

If someone sends you the following PM, wouldn't you assume the person is ready to go ahead with the purchase pending confirmation of availability and perhaps you could hold it for them - for several hours anyway? - not all of us are connected 24/7


(seller's name) - If (specific card) is still available, I'll take it and pay via FF option.

Thanks,
(my full mailing address)


The seller sent me an email time-stamped 5:43pm stating that the card was, in fact, available.

He sent me another email time-stamped 6:42pm stating that the card had been sold.

I returned from my meeting about three hours later...had no opportunity to react in time...


What's your opinion? Was I expecting too much?


Well, I just had one 'escape' me because the seller doesn't seem to regard this as reasonable! What a so-and-so!

[jp1216]

I'd say the "I'll take it" should make you the new owner - pending payment. If the seller verified it was available and had a buyer lined up - it should be held pending payment. Right?

[bnorth]

Opinions will vary but since the buyer said I will take it seller should have held it. I know if I was the buyer I would be pissed.

[Bestdj777]

You haven't bought the card till you've paid for it, but the seller should have definitely held it for you since you said you'd take it.

[frankbmd]

I am not sure that BST ediquite has been adequately defined.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I am not sure that BST ediquite has been adequately defined.

Ediquitte has two ts, I believe¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[the 'stache]

Raymond, I just want to clarify this. The first message you sent to the seller included the following:

1. An inquiry to find if the card was still available
2. A firm commitment to buy, paying by Paypal F&F

And the seller responded "it's still available."

That's all they said??

I haven't done a lot of selling on the BST, but whenever I've had a card for sale, and I've received an inquiry along with a commitment to buy, my response has always been, "yes, it's still available, and the card is yours."

Why they wouldn't confirm the sale with that first message back to you is curious, to say the least.

[pokerplyr80]

Unless there's something we don't know, it sounds like the seller should have held it.

I agree with the stache though, if your email really said "I will take the card at your price if it's available," it is strange that the seller would only respond with "yes it's still available." Either your email wasn't clear, or the seller misread or somehow didn't understand. That or he chose to only say it's available because he knew he had another deal pending.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Ediquitte has two ts, I believe¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And no d's. Frank was being facetious. Or was it fahseeshuss?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Sometimes people dont actually pay so if i was the seller, i would of said, the card is available but you need to pay by a certain time

[scooter729]

When I'm the seller and get a message like that, I respond that it's available and provide payment instructions. If there's another interested party in the interim before payment, I would give the first buyer a reasonable amount of time to make the payment before moving on to door #2. I tell the second person that I have a pending deal, but will let them know if anything falls through.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by scooter729

And no d's. Frank was being facetious. Or was it fahseeshuss?

So was I

[7nohitter]

Ray,

Totally agree that you should have been given more time, especially since you told the seller, 'I'll take it.'

Was the seller new or a longtime board member? I ask only because I just recently joined Blowout cards where it seems that payment is expected within seconds of an 'I'll take it.'

I love the BST here and have made some incredible purchases from great sellers.

[irv]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

Ray,

Totally agree that you should have been given more time, especially since you told the seller, 'I'll take it.'

Was the seller new or a longtime board member? I ask only because I just recently joined Blowout cards where it seems that payment is expected within seconds of an 'I'll take it.'

I love the BST here and have made some incredible purchases from great sellers.

How's this grab you?

I won a card in the Live Auction here and it was a card I wanted badly!

Seller contacted me and mentioned something about financial difficulty and to get a leg up with my payment. I obliged and promptly sent a cheque for the sale amount.

Seller seemed to get upset due to some banking issue with my cheque and also mentioned shipping was going to be X number of dollars, to which I replied, another cheque would be sent to cover that.

Long story short, and within a couple days, seller contacted the under bidder before I was afforded the opportunity to even send my cheque and sold it to him.

Yes, by far, my worse ever transaction here on Net 54. Glad other members that I have purchased from here are not like this.

[SAllen2556]

Not to make any excuses for anyone, but once when I was selling cards on the BST I received a PM through my email to buy the cards at, let's say 4:30pm. I agreed. I then looked at the original post I had made and noticed a reply to buy on my original posting at 4:25pm. Because I received the PM in my email I had responded to that message without realizing that someone had already offered to purchase the cards 5 minutes earlier on my original listing.

Just saying that with two ways to respond to BST posts (PM's and replying on the original thread) it is possible to mess up if you don't check both the original thread and your personal messages. Any chance that's what happened here?

[Leon]

I believe this issue was just an honest mistake but with 20-20 hindsight the card should have been held, imo. I believe the seller sent a reply back to the buyer, buyer had to run to a meeting and couldn't reply back, and seller had a few other anxious buyers and sold it.

Since the seller didn't hear back (in time), as the potential buyer was in a meeting, he sold to another anxious buyer. A mistake but an honest one, imo.

If someone says "I will take it" then really a short waiting period should be in order. If someone tells me they will take a card it's theirs. We can work out the details later. I sold one on the BST very recently the same way.

[jmb]

It was a nice card. Maybe what SAllen said is what happened. I missed out on it also and I've been looking for one too.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jmb

It was a nice card. Maybe what SAllen said is what happened. I missed out on it also and I've been looking for one too.

It is not what SAllen said. It was a non reply AFTER saying "I will take it", that got the card sold out from under him and it shouldn't have.

BTW, I always look at timestamps and have reversed sales (fairly imo) as someone else said something first.

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by Leon

It is not what SAllen said. It was a non reply AFTER saying "I will take it", that got the card sold out from under him and it shouldn't have.

BTW, I always look at timestamps and have reversed sales (fairly imo) as someone else said something first.

Totally fair. After being told I 'won' a card I've received an email later stating something to the effect of, 'sorry, I didn't realize someone emailed me 10 minutes before you did...' I completely understand this and it's only right.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

Ray,

Totally agree that you should have been given more time, especially since you told the seller, 'I'll take it.'

Was the seller new or a longtime board member? I ask only because I just recently joined Blowout cards where it seems that payment is expected within seconds of an 'I'll take it.'

I love the BST here and have made some incredible purchases from great sellers.

Andrew- the seller's listing was his 666th post...perhaps that particular number really IS to be avoided???!!!

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Not to make any excuses for anyone, but once when I was selling cards on the BST I received a PM through my email to buy the cards at, let's say 4:30pm. I agreed. I then looked at the original post I had made and noticed a reply to buy on my original posting at 4:25pm. Because I received the PM in my email I had responded to that message without realizing that someone had already offered to purchase the cards 5 minutes earlier on my original listing.

Just saying that with two ways to respond to BST posts (PM's and replying on the original thread) it is possible to mess up if you don't check both the original thread and your personal messages. Any chance that's what happened here?

Scott- I sent a the PM I detailed earlier first and when I had not heard from the seller after several minutes...I made sure I posted a thread reply, 'PM sent...thanks'

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by irv

How's this grab you?



I won a card in the Live Auction here and it was a card I wanted badly!



Seller contacted me and mentioned something about financial difficulty and to get a leg up with my payment. I obliged and promptly sent a cheque for the sale amount.



Seller seemed to get upset due to some banking issue with my cheque and also mentioned shipping was going to be X number of dollars, to which I replied, another cheque would be sent to cover that.



Long story short, and within a couple days, seller contacted the under bidder before I was afforded the opportunity to even send my cheque and sold it to him.



Yes, by far, my worse ever transaction here on Net 54. Glad other members that I have purchased from here are not like this.

What banking issue?

[irv]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

What banking issue?

The bank wanted to charge him a $2.00 fee for cashing the cheque.

Yes, $2.00 dollars.

Shipping was going to be $9.50, to which, like I already stated, I would send another cheque to cover the additional costs.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by scooter729

When I'm the seller and get a message like that, I respond that it's available and provide payment instructions. If there's another interested party in the interim before payment, I would give the first buyer a reasonable amount of time to make the payment before moving on to door #2. I tell the second person that I have a pending deal, but will let them know if anything falls through.

Totally agree and if I didn't hear anything back after a reasonable wait I would tell the buyer I'm going to move on if I don't hear back within x number of hours. I mean...."we're living in a society" for gosh sakes!!!!!!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by irv

The bank wanted to charge him a $2.00 fee for cashing the cheque.

Yes, $2.00 dollars.

Shipping was going to be $9.50, to which, like I already stated, I would send another cheque to cover the additional costs.

Does paypal work in Canada? That would seem a lot easier and faster than waiting for a check to be sent internationally.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Does paypal work in Canada? That would seem a lot easier and faster than waiting for a check to be sent internationally.

The seller did not have PayPal.

[irv]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Does paypal work in Canada? That would seem a lot easier and faster than waiting for a check to be sent internationally.

The seller didn't have PP he said.

I have purchased other cards from members on here paying via a cheque and never ran into a problem like this before.

The seller wanted me to figure out the shipping for him?!?!

[4815162342]

Why did it cost $2.00 to cash the cheque? Did I really just type cheque?

[packs]

I'm not a grammar guy but the title of this thread is killing me.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Sometimes people dont actually pay so if i was the seller, i would of said, the card is available but you need to pay by a certain time

And while we are on that subject, "I would have said..."

[quinnsryche]

Unfortunately I have had a couple members say "I'll take it" and have never heard back from them again. It's very rare I'll admit, but it does happen. I've also have had a couple instances where I agree to a deal and the other person comes back and says "I changed my mind" or "blah blah blah happened, I need to back out". Again rare, but it has happened. Sometimes you just have to take the cash in front of you.

[Jantz]

Raymond

I've had this same situation happen to me as well. As a matter-of-fact, my very first transaction of the BST, ten years ago, was the exact same scenario as yours.

I told myself that I would never buy another item from this seller. He must have pulled this same song & dance on other board members as well because for the past ten years I've watched him list items on the BST and he rarely gets a single reply. And yes, I love seeing that!

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by irv

How's this grab you?

I won a card in the Live Auction here and it was a card I wanted badly!

Seller contacted me and mentioned something about financial difficulty and to get a leg up with my payment. I obliged and promptly sent a cheque for the sale amount.

Seller seemed to get upset due to some banking issue with my cheque and also mentioned shipping was going to be X number of dollars, to which I replied, another cheque would be sent to cover that.

Long story short, and within a couple days, seller contacted the under bidder before I was afforded the opportunity to even send my cheque and sold it to him.

Yes, by far, my worse ever transaction here on Net 54. Glad other members that I have purchased from here are not like this.

I don't really want to sidetrack Raymond's thread, but since it already has been undone, I am the seller irv speaks of.

This is the brief version - the whole thing is a lot more maddening than I am writing. It actually transpired over a week and many email exchanges. It's true that I did not have a PP account at that time. The card in question is the 58T Mantle/Aaron combo.

Card sold for $30 + $3 shipping.

I told him that I had never shipped outside the U.S. before and to let me know approx what that cost would be. He replies maybe a couple of dollars more than the $3. Says he will ask his wife about the exchange rate and best way to pay w/check.

I receive a check for $30 total. I ask him about the shipping. He says he will send another check for the additional amount.

Meanwhile, I take the first check to my bank and ask them about the protocol. The check is made out payable to the bearer: $30.00 USD (fair enough - I would get my initial $30, and the exchange rate comes out of his account and expect the shipping later).

My bank says there will probably be a collection fee and it could take days.
His bank is ****** *****, and at the top of the printed check there is something to the effect of TDCanada.com. My bank advises me to take it to my local TD and see if they will honor it, thus saving him the collection fees and I get my money on the spot - minus shipping.

On my way home from the bank I stop at the PO to mail off some cards. I had a single-card package and ask what it would cost to send something identical to Canada: $9.50 + cushion mailer.

I get home and email him if he really wants to pay $10 for a $30 card? And, why didn't he know that shipping would cost so much? He said he never looked at the shipping costs on his PP invoices. I suggest that if he needs any other cards to let me know, because adding a few extra cards is virtually the same shipping cost. We settle upon 2 52Ts.

Soon enough, before I can scan them, I get an email asking me to send scans and he will decide if he wants to cancel the transaction.

I went to the underbidder.

[buymycards]

If you put the card in a small photo mailer, you can mail it to Canada for $1.36. It is $1.15 for a 2 oz letter plus .21 for a non-machinable surcharge. No tracking available.

A graded card in a bubble mailer would be $9.50 which includes tracking.

[Luke]

[QUOTE=Paul S;1561428]I don't really want to sidetrack Raymond's thread, but since it already has been undone, I am the seller irv speaks of.

Yeah, when I read his version of events, I didn't think it looked particularly good for him. Don't think anyone would blame you for going to another buyer. It's crazy to not give you money for shipping and to somehow feel like it's your fault you had to sell to someone else.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I don't really want to sidetrack Raymond's thread, but since it already has been undone, I am the seller irv speaks of.

This is the brief version - the whole thing is a lot more maddening than I am writing. It actually transpired over a week and many email exchanges. It's true that I did not have a PP account at that time. The card in question is the 58T Mantle/Aaron combo.

Card sold for $30 + $3 shipping.

I told him that I had never shipped outside the U.S. before and to let me know approx what that cost would be. He replies maybe a couple of dollars more than the $3. Says he will ask his wife about the exchange rate and best way to pay w/check.

I receive a check for $30 total. I ask him about the shipping. He says he will send another check for the additional amount.

Meanwhile, I take the first check to my bank and ask them about the protocol. The check is made out payable to the bearer: $30.00 USD (fair enough - I would get my initial $30, and the exchange rate comes out of his account and expect the shipping later).

My bank says there will probably be a collection fee and it could take days.
His bank is ****** *****, and at the top of the printed check there is something to the effect of TDCanada.com. My bank advises me to take it to my local TD and see if they will honor it, thus saving him the collection fees and I get my money on the spot - minus shipping.

On my way home from the bank I stop at the PO to mail off some cards. I had a single-card package and ask what it would cost to send something identical to Canada: $9.50 + cushion mailer.

I get home and email him if he really wants to pay $10 for a $30 card? And, why didn't he know that shipping would cost so much? He said he never looked at the shipping costs on his PP invoices. I suggest that if he needs any other cards to let me know, because adding a few extra cards is virtually the same shipping cost. We settle upon 2 52Ts.

Soon enough, before I can scan them, I get an email asking me to send scans and he will decide if he wants to cancel the transaction.

I went to the underbidder.

I guess it was inevitable for 'my' thread to be 'hijacked' - very appropriately that such occurred the very week the FBI finally, officially closed the D.B. Cooper file.

But, I am still pissed that the card I had agreed to purchase was sold out from under me...needless to say, I will NEVER attempt to do business with THAT particular member again. The more members we get, the bigger the chance that kind of inconsideration will occur...so, everyone get ready!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by irv

The seller didn't have PP he said.

I have purchased other cards from members on here paying via a cheque and never ran into a problem like this before.

The seller wanted me to figure out the shipping for him?!?!

If I was shipping to another country for the first time I don't think it would be too much to ask for the buyer to have an idea of what it would cost to get the card there. That way payment could be sent all at once. Tough break losing the card but from the seller's point of view it sounds like he put a lot more effort in than I would have for a small transaction.

[frankbmd]

Be respectful. Be fair. Communicate more than you think is necessary. Follow through with your commitments and ................................

You will benefit from

BST Ediquite Privilege.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I don't really want to sidetrack Raymond's thread, but since it already has been undone, I am the seller irv speaks of.

This is the brief version - the whole thing is a lot more maddening than I am writing. It actually transpired over a week and many email exchanges. It's true that I did not have a PP account at that time. The card in question is the 58T Mantle/Aaron combo.

Card sold for $30 + $3 shipping.

I told him that I had never shipped outside the U.S. before and to let me know approx what that cost would be. He replies maybe a couple of dollars more than the $3. Says he will ask his wife about the exchange rate and best way to pay w/check.

I receive a check for $30 total. I ask him about the shipping. He says he will send another check for the additional amount.

Meanwhile, I take the first check to my bank and ask them about the protocol. The check is made out payable to the bearer: $30.00 USD (fair enough - I would get my initial $30, and the exchange rate comes out of his account and expect the shipping later).

My bank says there will probably be a collection fee and it could take days.
His bank is ****** *****, and at the top of the printed check there is something to the effect of TDCanada.com. My bank advises me to take it to my local TD and see if they will honor it, thus saving him the collection fees and I get my money on the spot - minus shipping.

On my way home from the bank I stop at the PO to mail off some cards. I had a single-card package and ask what it would cost to send something identical to Canada: $9.50 + cushion mailer.

I get home and email him if he really wants to pay $10 for a $30 card? And, why didn't he know that shipping would cost so much? He said he never looked at the shipping costs on his PP invoices. I suggest that if he needs any other cards to let me know, because adding a few extra cards is virtually the same shipping cost. We settle upon 2 52Ts.

Soon enough, before I can scan them, I get an email asking me to send scans and he will decide if he wants to cancel the transaction.

I went to the underbidder.

Paul, I am glad to see you replied, and although my dealings with you were strange and confusing (You, yourself apologized for your own strange/confusing PMs!) I never thought you would stoop to this level of twisting the truth fabricating a story!

You wrote me, 6 days after you received my cheque, that you went to the bank the same day and the bank wanted $2.00 to cash the cheque and the PO wanted $9.50 to ship it.

You immediately mentioned the underbidder in the same PM on the same day you received my cheque because the banking fee and the shipping costs seemed to cause you some distress for some reason??


Like I mentioned, I am unsure how you, the seller, expect me, the purchaser, to figure out shipping for you, the seller, especially with me, being up here in Canada!?!?
I know I have to quit using the “I’m the new guy here card” eventually, but maybe I best hold off a bit because I was unaware that maybe E-Bay or Auction houses or whoever else, sometimes require that the purchaser figure out the shipping costs/fees for the seller???

That is a new one, but you seemed to get quite upset, with me being Canadian and all, and with my perceived vast experience/knowledge of U.S. state laws, taxes, shipping fees and transportation routes (while you sat on your butt for six days waiting for my cheque to arrive!) that I didn’t know, or even know if the card was going to be sent in a paper envelope or via air mail, that I wasn’t able to figure out shipping costs for you!

I told you, fees were all over the map with some E-Bay transactions costing $3 dollars and some all the way up to $51 dollars! I never once mentioned anything about PP invoices? Where are you getting this information from?

We discussed other 52 Topps cards, you are correct, but no where do I recall ever agreeing to purchase 2 other cards? Again, where are you getting this information from?

When you mentioned the under bidder, your first reply back the first day you received my cheque, I knew this was causing you grief and that is when I asked for additional scans on the Foes card, thinking maybe, just maybe, if this card wasn’t worth purchasing after all, I would cancel the transaction which would ease your anxieties knowing you no longer had to send it to me??

Like sending my cheque out asap, as you requested, (Get a leg up sound familiar?) I was also trying to help you but you didn’t see it that way, no, instead you wrote me back a nasty e-mail stating how pissed off you were and that you voided my cheque and sold the card to the under bidder!

Like I mentioned, you had no business reselling that card that I won fair and square in the “Live Auction” after I sent you the cheque asap as you requested and after I said I would send another one asap to cover the additional costs!

I don’t know what else I could have done?!?

You stated, which I highly doubt now, that you had over a 100 transactions over the years but this one sent you over the edge for some reason?

The funniest part of all this, which I still get a laugh about, btw, is when you mentioned “You had better lay off bidding on any of my future auctions for the time being”

I ‘m glad to see, despite your other issues, that at you still have a sense of humor, Paul. At least you have that going for you!

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by irv

I ‘m glad to see, despite your other issues, that at you still have a sense of humor, Bill. At least you have that going for you!

Dale, there's a difference between letting sh*t go or letting it fly.

Paul, not Bill

[irv]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Dale, there's a difference between letting sh*t go or letting it fly.

Paul, not Bill

Late night, long vacation.

I guess in hindsight, Paul, I should have ignored your request to get a leg up to send payment asap and just waited to you had all your ducks in a row with regards to shipping, but I am sure some other issue would have risen regardless?

FYI, like I mentioned, no other issues like this one ever!

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I don't really want to sidetrack Raymond's thread, but since it already has been undone, I am the seller irv speaks of.

This is the brief version - the whole thing is a lot more maddening than I am writing. It actually transpired over a week and many email exchanges. It's true that I did not have a PP account at that time. The card in question is the 58T Mantle/Aaron combo.

Card sold for $30 + $3 shipping.

I told him that I had never shipped outside the U.S. before and to let me know approx what that cost would be. He replies maybe a couple of dollars more than the $3. Says he will ask his wife about the exchange rate and best way to pay w/check.

I receive a check for $30 total. I ask him about the shipping. He says he will send another check for the additional amount.

Meanwhile, I take the first check to my bank and ask them about the protocol. The check is made out payable to the bearer: $30.00 USD (fair enough - I would get my initial $30, and the exchange rate comes out of his account and expect the shipping later).

My bank says there will probably be a collection fee and it could take days.
His bank is ****** *****, and at the top of the printed check there is something to the effect of TDCanada.com. My bank advises me to take it to my local TD and see if they will honor it, thus saving him the collection fees and I get my money on the spot - minus shipping.

On my way home from the bank I stop at the PO to mail off some cards. I had a single-card package and ask what it would cost to send something identical to Canada: $9.50 + cushion mailer.

I get home and email him if he really wants to pay $10 for a $30 card? And, why didn't he know that shipping would cost so much? He said he never looked at the shipping costs on his PP invoices. I suggest that if he needs any other cards to let me know, because adding a few extra cards is virtually the same shipping cost. We settle upon 2 52Ts.

Soon enough, before I can scan them, I get an email asking me to send scans and he will decide if he wants to cancel the transaction.

I went to the underbidder.

Knowing what the postage is much more important in cheaper items where the postage can make up a large percentage of the purchase price