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Posted By: Mike P
Just when you thought it had gone away for a while... |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I thought this board was filled with rich Asians from the West Coast? |
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Posted By: David Smith
I posted before the auction even ended that 2 things were going to happen; 1) the race card was going to be played and 2) somebody was going to get sued. |
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Posted By: dennis
we had a collector on this forum, who is black ,say the card is fake! |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Well, as a one-armed, dyslexic, midget, gay black man, I think it is fake as well. There . . . now they can quote a black man as well. |
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Posted By: leon
Well, seems our board does get a little attention. I like this quote from the article: |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Id like to know who here said they might be on to something when they said race may play a factor? I think we all agree that the only factor on whether the card is real or not is the fact we all know its fake just by looking at it in scans.Its an obvious fake. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
"all the folks who are quoted as thinking the card is a fake ARE white." |
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Posted By: joe brennan
They had their 15 minutes of fame. I wish they would take their card, burn it and go back to selling refurbished cell phones and horny goat weed. |
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Posted By: Joann
Wow. I really don't remember anyone in any thread saying that race was a factor in why no one wanted to believe the card is real. I DO remember a few posts saying that if race were a factor, it was only in getting the story more news coverage and that if the sellers were caucasian this wouldn't be a story at all. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Run Forrest run... |
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Posted By: Paul
There was a sarcastic post in the original thread where a member said he wouldn't buy the card because the sellers were black. Perhaps the sarcasm was lost on the "journalist." |
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Posted By: Jeff O
Hmmm... my recollection is that the only person who brought up race as a possible factor on this board was the actual seller himself. It's great how his own inane comments are now attributed to unnamed others. That's just great reporting. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Perhaps Dr. Johnson's contention that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" should be amended to say "The cry of racism is the last refuge of the scoundrel", for these characters. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Lets put this to the acid test - |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
delete |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
What I'm worried about is someone deciding that those 2 guys are originally from Kentucky, and they wandered over the river there at Cincinnati to get out of the Bluegrass State. A fellow can better sell "investments" over in Ohio. |
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Posted By: Boccabella
The story could have been more clear, but I don't believe the writer is saying members of this board who were quoted were all white --he's referring to those in the piece on HBO. The line reads close to the reference of this forum so it's probably construed that way by some. And he really needs to identify the "collectors" who claim race played a factor..or at least say where that observation is coming from. That's a bit reckless. The piece is just a segment from a "notes" type of column, so it's lacking some depth, unfortunately. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
Hell, even OJ says it's a fake! |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Heres the same reprint they have.I recieved the card from a dealer getting out of cards in 1991 and at that time the card looked old,so i could see it being a reprint from the 70's. Is anyone fooled by the front of this card? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
This card has been offered for sale many times over the past few years. This card was originally offered on eBay, and the card was universally labelled a fake, and the card was removed by eBay. There was no indication anywhere of the seller's race. It was AFTER the auction that there was the Cincinnati newspaper had an article with pictures of the owners. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Michael O'Keeffe made something up in one of his columns? |
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Posted By: John S
Bottom line without getting into a long socially-oriented dissertation...it would not have mattered if the sellers were convicted thieves (black, white, orange, green, etc.) if the card was real it would have sold. |
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Posted By: Darrell
which came first the chicken or the egg.go back into the threads and see who brings up race first. he's is playing the race card |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Race? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
What I think is dubious about the angle is that that eBay has cancelled literally hundreds of 'T206 Wagner' auctions over the years and PSA has rejected another few hundred T206 Wagners. If the Daily News writer did a study of the racial makeup of these card owners, he likely would come to the conclusion, "You know, maybe eBay and PSA doesn't reject cards becase of racial makeup." My guess is that 99 percent of the card owners will be white, mostly white males. |
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Posted By: Ricky Y
Its amazing how this story keeps morphing and reappearing across America like the bird flu...wonder if its going to show up on Oprah..or worse yet..Geraldo... |
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Posted By: anthony
are there any "black" graders at PSA, SGC, or GAI ??? dont the owners of the card still refuse to have it graded by one of these legit companies??? |
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Posted By: Mike P
This episode of COBB & EDWARDS GO TO MARKET turns on three errors by Connelly, the auctioneer and appraiser. |
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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen
Only a matter of time till Jackson and Sharpton intercede? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
"I want to find an authenticator of documents, not necessarily baseball cards, to verify this card as genuine." |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
I would think after all this attention these guys have got over this card,if they do sell it,all they are asking for is trouble once the buyer has the card authenticated and it comes back as a reprint. Whoever couldve met their asking price in the past would obviously have had enough money to get some good lawyers or ACTUAL card experts to verify the card is fake,so maybe the extra exposure theyre getting is actually a good thing for them of all people.It should be painfully obvious to people by now that a real card wouldnt have so many naysayers who have never seen the card in person. |
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Posted By: Morrie
I live just outside Cincinnati. Last time this thing came up and had the big article in the paper, I contacted the guy who wrote it and said that if he wanted another opinion, I had a few hundred t206 and knew the characteristics of a real vs. authentic card. |
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Posted By: Chad
So none of you lawyers sue me, but it sounds like the one guy that's making out on this deal is the lawyer, which I'm prefectly fine with. I hope the counsel for these two schmucks bills them when he accidentally sees part of a baseball game walking through the electronics department of Sears. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
good advice Morrie. |
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Posted By: Chad
Who the hell are they planning to sue? Are they going to have some kind of weird reverse class action suit where they sue every white person who's ever bought a baseball card? (In which case, gulp!) Are they going to sue ebay? I don't see how the can sue Connely. This is all very puzzling. I only got 38 bucks for my Hal Chase T206 on ebay last night. I can I see you bastards for not driving the price up? |
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Posted By: Mike P
The lawyer for Cobb and Edwards seems to have gone on to bigger fish (phish?). He hasn't figured in recent stories of their attempts to sell a preternaturally aged copy of the Honus Wagner reprint card. |
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Posted By: Russ Bright
Did anyone see that there is a half page article with a picture of these cards and their card in this weeks Sports illustrated? Makes me sick to think about how much publicity these guys are getting for an obvious fake. The press is attempting to be as unbiased as possible, but this WILL NOT die... |
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Posted By: Scott Gross
Russ, |
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Posted By: jay behrens
you had a My Buddy doll? |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
"Something's worth what someone's willing to pay for it," to quote John Cobb, one of the owners of the card in question. |
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Posted By: PC
Connelly had a bunch of real, graded T206s ending on eBay at around the same time the nimrod Wagner was up. I needed a few, and would have bid on them despite the live auction/juice nonsense (which I usually avoid like the plague), but didn't because of their involvement with this fake card. So, they've already lost at least a little business and slightly higher auction returns. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
As noted, the card's owner defined what the card is worth: "Something's worth what someone's willing to pay for it." |
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Posted By: Mike P
Strangely, Cobb's definition of the value of the card pretty well accords with the widely accepted Supreme Court definition of fair market value. |
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Posted By: Richard Simon
Does anyone believe this guy paid $1800 for the card? |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
The owners note that they have spent "thousands of hours" in researching their card. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
"He paid $1,800 for the Wagner card 20 years ago, with the promise from the owner that he could get his money back if he couldn't sell it." |
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Posted By: Mike P
"The above sale price [$1800] would be about $1,795 too high for a reprint and about $30,000 too low for a genuine T206 Wagner." |
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