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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: JimCrandell
No--you are wrong again here. What really got grading going is legendary collectors like Fogel, Merkel and others endorsing grading and leading dealers jumping on the bandwagon. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
My response to your...... |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Josh Adams
After reading these posts, and having a pretty good laugh over the use of the phrase "card terrorist," I've come to a conclusion. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
Jim, you said essentially the same thing I did but in a different way. I got out of the hobby in 1991 becuase of my absolute disgust with the hobby and the direction it was going. The last show I set up at was the Labor Day show in SF in 1991. I remember their being a both with a company offereing to professionally grade cards. After that show, I diassapeared from hobby until 5 years ago, so I missed out on the birth and growth of slabbing industry. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
Crandall is the only person that has ever claimed there was a class war going on here. My issue is with him and Dorkskin and their attitude, not the money they have. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: JimCrandell
I am not talking about a class war just what is going on in the market. Others have commented on the validity of my comments. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
Because I don't buy PSA8 cards means that I am burying my head in the sand? I fully understand the implication and impact of graded cards. Why do you think I did all the leg work I did to get my e90-3 Hofnlan graded? It's becuase I knew that it would maximize the sale price of the card. I offered the card raw on ebay for a $200 BIN and no one bought it. Put it in a slab and magically it becomes a $2750 plus juice. Any card I have of significant value that I plan on selling will be slabbed. They generally get slabbed anyway, just to protect them from me. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: warshawlaw
I hear a lot of bootstrapping rhetoric offline from some folks to justify whatever excesses they want to justify in their collecting. It is nice rhetoric but it doesn't play in the real world. I am a product of privilege; I owe a large part of what I achieved to being raised by wealthy parents who were able to send me to the best prep schools, universities and graduate programs. I went to school with scions of large fortunes, including some of the Forbes 400's kids. None of them earned it. None of them "deserved" it. They were simply born lucky. I socialize with many people who are nothing special but who emerged from the dot com boom with options that ended up worth fortunes. They did not deserve it nor did they earn it, they simply worked at the right company at the right time and happened to get some pieces of those companies when the friends and family were granted stock. Other wealthy people I know started out with no educational debts and inherited family businesses or six figures worth of family assets. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: DJ
Wow. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: warshawlaw
High stakes gambling in LV. The game is the same whether it is a buck a bet or ten thousand a bet. I have a friend who's a high roller (they send the jet for him; he bets in the millions). He can't explain it, either. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
DJ, I think you owe Jim an apology. To suggest that he views cards as a status symbol solely is really an ignorant position to take and, more importantly, not true. I don't know Bruce at all but I find it impossible to believe he doesn't love the history of cards and baseball. In addition, should anyone want a real status symbol in life they buy a fancy car, home or woman - not baseball cards. Anyway you guys want to slice it, those who wish they had more money resent those that have that money and figure out ways to subtley insult them, all the while trying to make it seem as if they are impervious to such earthly concerns such as chasing the dollar.... |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Cobby33
I think this comes down to begrudging the kid who brought the Nolan Ryan rookie card to school, not because he collected cards, but because he knew it was "worth" more than the '80 Jack Clark that the rest of us coveted. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Brian
Chicks dig the set registry. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Cobby33
There's always that... |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: barrysloate
I think everybody needs to find their comfort zone. Some people are extremely competitive, for whatever reasons, and need to have the best of everything. Others are happy to live life in a slower lane and just enjoy themselves as best they can. These different lifestyles also reflect how people collect. The hobby is full of VG's and PSA-8's so let's just agree there's something for everyone. I know this sounds trite but there is no resolution to this issue. Let the zillionaires collect what they want and others collect what makes them happy. I do however, object to the notion that money makes you both classier and more intelligent. I think it only makes you wealthier; life's other attributes have to be earned, too. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: bruce dorskind
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Joann
Whilst I was reading the post above, I just about wanted to throw myself off the balcony. Wow. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: leon
I am right with you...and am not taking sides. I do always enjoy it when folks try to correct grammar and then sort of stick their foot in a big pile of pooh .....I especially liked the one from right above: |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: JimCrandell
DJ, |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Your B+ grammer continues to keep you firmly ensconced as the Grand Poobah of the Net54 board. Others can only hope to aspire to such a lofty throne...... |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: sagard
Not to interupt the contest... |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
Quoting Bruce: |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
DJ, even I wouldn't say Crandall doesn't love his cards. That's been obvious form many of his posts. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: barrysloate
Here's something to ponder: If I had 20 slabbed T206's, and ten of them graded PSA-8 and the other ten graded PSA-7, and I covered up the labels and mixed them up, how many collectors of high grade cards would be able to get them all right? My guess is none, and it's possible many wouldn't even come close. Assuming anyone agrees with this statement, then how does one justify the huge premium for high grade cards? |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
Barry, easy answer....EGO!!! |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jay, I don't disagree with your point at all or your life decision. I actually commend it and am a bit jealous to be honest. My comment re ignorance was simply based on DJ's insult of Bruce and Jim by claiming that they don't give a crap about baseball cards or history. It's just not true and his assertion was ignorant, i.e., made without the necessary knowledge or facts to render a correct opinion. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: sagard
On the 10 PSA 8, 10 PSA 7 question. I think a lot of people would get 80% correct. This is also the likely the same rate if PSA were to grade them again. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
"Do Jim and Bruce love cards? No! Do they love the rich history of baseball? No! All they see is a status symbol, investment potential, registry numbers and cha-ching." |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: barrysloate
If Sagard is right, and my guess was about 15, then an awful lot of $1000 cards could become $5000 cards, or vice versa, based on some very subjective criteria. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: DJ
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Agreed with Peter. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: JimCrandell
DJ, |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Lee Behrens
I think some of you guys are cheating on your work and I know it is not Jay, because he doesn't work much. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: cmoking
"But did anyone else think money was left on the table by not arranging a private sale of some of the cards. I realize that pricing these may be difficult, but it sure seems like some of these bidders would pay virtually any asking price." |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Jay
I am relatively new to this board and just wanted to offer my two cents. My name is Jay and I am 15 years old and exclusively collect T206s. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
You're wise beyond your years. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jackgoodman
Jay, welcome to the board and thank you for renewing my faith in the educational system of this country. Your comments were well thought out, intelligent and well written. I wish I had your clarity of purpose (relative to collecting) when I was your age. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: warshawlaw
While I'd just as soon see the ultra rich have their assets drained like a keg at a frat house, this isn't the place for a policy debate. Let's take a cue from the kid and get back to cards. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: sagard
<<<If Sagard is right, and my guess was about 15, then an awful lot of $1000 cards could become $5000 cards, or vice versa, based on some very subjective criteria.>>> |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
GEE....Your post is a refreshing breeze, on what has become a very long-winded, |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: JimB
I did not notice anybody boasting about paying high prices for a Latimore or any other card. Occassionally there are threads about the great deals people have gotten, but I have never seen anybody brag about paying a lot for a card. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
Bruce, since you seem to be so hung up on grammar, care to explain in detail to use simple, pedestrian collectors why you keep refering to yourself as "we" instead of "I"? Or is "we" misspeclled and actuially a French word that was taught to you by French servants that raised you? |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: cmoking
Which is better? |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: warshawlaw
ripping an old lady's face off (not being sarcastic; it really does sum up what some folks make it sound like they do). Or did you mean ripping off an old lady to her face? I like the first one better, it has a certain sense of urgency to it. |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
It certainly is not gay, although the shiney stuff may be. The athletes we collect are all dead. Collecting pictures of dead men isn't gay, its ... oh wait, I know its not that necro thing at all - its history! |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Max Weder
I don't want to merge this thread with the "football sucks" thread, but oh, sometimes.... |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: jay behrens
Now that guy looks gay Then again, that whole Ive League, sweater wrapped around the neck thing is pretty gay |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: Cobby33
Ace or Gary? |
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An Analysis of the Yorktown Heights T 206 PSA 8 E-Bay Auction
Posted By: MVSNYC
well, i am new to the board...i think i used to look on this board years ago...anyway, i'm basically new to it, glad to have found it. well, i am the winner of the Dick Egan 9 (bill from yorktown told me the next day, "looks like you got the best deal")...i have been collecting T206 cards since 1991 (bought my very first cards from Cavalcade of Sports (thanks for everything Jay!)...long story short, i used to a ton of low-mid grade cards, and then last year decided to "streamline" the collection, basically sold all of the lower-mid grade cards and "re-invested" in high grade-low pop cards...you can see my set on PSA set reg, Sarno-Schuster # 46, but don't let the number fool you...anyway, i guess i am hearing a wide variety of opinions here, but just to give my 2 cents, i am a "true" collector, have never sold a thing prior to march, i know the history of the game, the players and the cards...it was hard for me (as a true collector) to get my head around the idea of collecting to invest, BUT it cannot be denied that collecting high grade/low pop, pre-war cards is an amazing investment. i do collect with a friend, who is in the financial world and he is super analytical, he has approached collecting with that mindset, and has made unbelievable profits, but the beautiful thing is, he is a "true" collector, he knows the stories behind the players and the understanding and appreciation of cardboard printing processes and cigarette distribution in 1909-11, etc, etc. so my big point here is this: you can approach collecting from an investment standpoint AND STILL have an unbelievable passion for collecting...and to respond to someone else's point above, questioning why should a common low pop sell for more than davis (HOF)...to answer that we have to look at the root of our wonderful hobby, it is to hunt, find, buy, cherish hard to find, sought after cards, in real estate it is all about location, location, location...well, our in hobby it is all about condition, condition, condition...also, i am NOT trying to fill a set in 8's/9's...thats a task reserved for a select few...i merely enjoy the mystic and importance of looking at and appreciating an 8 or a 9, and admiring how it has survived 2 worldwars, numerous paper drives, handling prior to slabbing, etc, etc...i have owned many 100's of T206 cards, and i simply decided to switch gears and focus on quality...thats all, nothing more... |
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