Library of Congress Images on Ebay

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

Just a heads up that EBAY seller ZZL has dumped many of the Library of Congress Baseball card images onto EBAY. Seller does note that they are reproductions, and seller even uses the magnification option from the Library of Congress website. Evidently, a LIBERTY FOR ALL want-a-be.

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Posted By: runscott

this guy has over 500 pages of listings - can you provide a link to one of the ones you are describing?

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Posted By: runscott

I have to give this guy credit: as he describes, he has taken the loc images and "fixed them up". Take a look at his Monte Ward auction and compare the image to the "J.Ward" cabinet on the loc -it's obviously the same image, but he has cleaned it up. I think he is providing a useful service and I'm looking at buying a few of his team pictures.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2713464261&category=213
&topLinks=0576fu.tif&displayProfile=2&dir=ammem&itemLink=D?bbcards:13:./temp/~ammem_FSe1::

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Posted By: petecld

Isn't this the same as the guy who did posters of Goudeys and other T-cards that everyone had such a problem with?

Does this seller have the permission of the LOC to sell these using their images?

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Posted By: Hankron

Beyond an aesthetic argument, I beleive there's nothing to object to. The item is clearly represented as a reproduction and is 16" x 11" on modern glossy stock. The seller is not violating any copyright laws on this item, and the LOC does not own the rights to this particular image.

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Posted By: Hankron

My above post was not to suggest that an aesthetic argument is not valid. I was merely differentiating this Ward from all those correct-sized "I think it may be an old replica"s.

Personally, I am strongly against fakes and deceptive reprints. However, those who eventually benefit from all those computer printer reprints on and offline are the graders like PSA and SGC, and people like me. The more people says, "How can I tell if this is an original or a reprint from some bozo's computer" the more people contact me or go to graders.

Those who also will benefit are dealers with strong reputations for knowledge and honesty. With the proliferation of deceptive reprints, many buyers will more be likely to avoiding the average sellers or sellers who don't specialize in the particular area.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

These images seem to be pretty nice and may consider buying some to hang on my walls. If he is not violating any laws I don't see any problem. he is selling them as reproductions and they are larger than the regular cards of similar issue.

Kind of a pain to filter thru the guy has almost 13,000 listing right now.


Just my opinion.

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Posted By: runscott

I contacted the l.o.c. and asked if it was okay to sell their images - they basically said "yes". I contacted them initially because of all the fake o.j.'s on ebay being sold as "gee, I don't know nuthin bout cards but these may be real - no refunds...God bless".

I have no problems with this guy - his images are clearly reproductions, he's even cleaned up the scans so they are very nice looking, and I don't see how anyone could be fooled that a glossy cleaned-up picture of a T3 on photo stock could be a real card. I haven't bought from him (though I'm about to), so I'm hoping that the quality will be good, but you never know - I bought from "jhevergreen" and it was crappy computer reproductions that I threw in the trash. On the other hand, I bought one of the 1874 Boston Red Stockings photos from another seller (http://www.store.yahoo.com/mipakaco-photos) and it was a high-quality silver-halide image on photo paper, made from an old negative. The quality was amazing and I highly recommend him for baseball reproductions.