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'88 Donruss Gregg Jefferies?



Seriously, though, I agree with those who have stated the sharpest increase will be a card that is relatively inexpensive right now. Perhaps a $20 card goes to $2,000 or some other 100x jump.

Hell, Mike Trout's Topps Update went from about $20 to about $2,000 in about 10 years.

As much as I like other cards in this thread, I just can't see them keeping up with a percentage increase like that.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
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'88 Donruss Gregg Jefferies?



Seriously, though, I agree with those who have stated the sharpest increase will be a card that is relatively inexpensive right now. Perhaps a $20 card goes to $2,000 or some other 100x jump.

Hell, Mike Trout's Topps Update went from about $20 to about $2,000 in about 10 years.

As much as I like other cards in this thread, I just can't see them keeping up with a percentage increase like that.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
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If I have to take a guess on modern, I would say 1993 - 1999 Ken Griffey Jr inserts. Although his cards are pretty strong already. So maybe Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Adrian Beltre. Someone who was issued on late 90s Topps Chrome refractors. I think 90s HOFers are waiting to explode.

Earlier than that? You need to buy 80s Tiffany. I think there's still a lot of room to grow in Tiffany - it's very undervalued. 1985 will soon reach 50 years old.

Earlier? Many collectors on this site still are amazed Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan Big Red Machine players are found relatively cheap.

Oddball? I like Kahns. Seems those have room to grow due to rarity.

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The Goudey Ruth's were printed in huge quantities too but it hasn't hurt their value. Same with Cobb T206s. The Kashin is a playing era card of the Babe at the height of his game and the image could not be improved upon (in my opinion). It's still pretty affordable for even the average collector. I don't know how much longer that will be true.
It being a quadruple print will always hurt its value and pretending it is anything close to the Goudey in demand is funny. It’s a great image and a card anyone should be proud to own but as for the original topic it’s not making the top 100 in my honest opinion.

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Centered mid to low grade Mantles. The price of higher grade Mantles will be unattainable for a majority of collectors soon. People will still want a Mantle and that will jump the price of the mid low grade Micks.
I think centered vintage pretty much across the board is way undervalued. Finding a truly dead-centered vintage card, at least for most of the 30s, 40s, & 50s sets that I collect, is like finding a unicorn. The number of centered 52 Topps Mantles in existence is around 20.

As more and more collectors wake up to the joke that is PSA's drastically shifting grading standards over time, eye appeal will continue to gain ground in the market. I will gladly pay double or triple "comps" for centered copies of what I'm after. I see this trend getting more aggressive over time as well.
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I think Japanese cards, particularly Oh, have a lot of upside. I've been picking them up since I have no current cardboard object of my acquisition affection.
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M101-4/5 Ruth, especially rare backs. Best ever, relatively rare (especially compared to the 1952 Mantle), and super iconic. I also think the 1907 Cobb Dietsche Fielding has a lot of room to run, as its relatively cheap now, its a real rookie, and its very rare (like 20 graded). I alsio think Gehrig cards are all undervalued
Again, I'm with Ryan 100% (we have to stop meeting like this or people will talk). There are approximately 40 non-Sporting News, non-blank back Ruth rookies. That is spread over 11 different backs. That makes even the most common non-SN ad back Ruth rookie rare, and three (Wares, Holmes to Homes and Green Joyce have only one known copy). This is the rookie card of the greatest player ever.
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It being a quadruple print will always hurt its value and pretending it is anything close to the Goudey in demand is funny. It’s a great image and a card anyone should be proud to own but as for the original topic it’s not making the top 100 in my honest opinion.
If you have 100 other cards in mind why not share your opinion on the topic? That is what the thread is for.
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

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52 Topps Mays peaked and doubled or tripled in value after Hank Aaron's passing. But like 52 Topps Jackie, I think centered high grade 52 Topps Mays have a lot of room to grow to close the gap with Mick.
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As much as I like other cards in this thread, I just can't see them keeping up with a percentage increase like that.
I used percentage increase as a way to avoid everyone commenting that the answer is the t206 Wagner or 1952 Mantle, which are likely candidates to see the highest dollar value increase.

You have identified the flaw in my thinking, the answer is absolutely a $10 card that gets a massive spike. Probably something along the lines of the boost the T202 Lord/Tannehill got after people realized Joe Jackson was in the center panel.
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

Absolutely. All of the "bread" Jackie cards have been moving. The Exhibit sized one SGC 4.5 went for $3894 in the Lelands auction that just closed.

So are his Exhibit cards. Both of them (regular and Canadian). The regular Exhibit cards are settling into the $700-$800 range in vg-ex slabs. I think these have promise, especially if we in the ESCO research community can get our acts together and figure out the exact issue year.

This one has a PSA pop of 2 and hasn't transacted in three years; teeters on the edge of that rarity-obscurity spectrum

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I think Jackie Robinson is the right track, but 5-10 years late on Jackie. Better bet now are the other HoF players of color whose names will arise in all retellings of baseball's integration: Doby, Campanella, Banks, Minoso, Clemente, Irvin, Frank Robinson. Also, any other "first of that team" players: Green, Jethroe, Thompson, et al.

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1948 Swell Sport Thrills Jackie Robinson is another card of his that pre-dates the Leaf and is more rare.

It is also a condition sensitive card, so any card above a beater is extremely tough to find. Centering is extremely difficult too.

Card is already growing in value and has more room yet, especially the nicer examples via grade or eye appeal.
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I could not fathom a guess as to which card will increase most in value in the next 10 years but it is safe to say it will be one that I do not own.
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I don't know why, just a hunch perhaps, but I feel like T205 Orval Overall Piedmont 25 cards will rocket up in value. Coincidentally, I happen to have one for sale on BST right now.

I do not have any T205 Orval Overall Piedmont 25 cards available...you will be wasting your time searching for it. Though if I keep flinging up posts extolling the card's virtues, perhaps Orval will raise so precipitously high in value to make it foolish on my part not to sell it. By the way, it is an attractive card, even if Orval's nose is slightly misaligned. The misaligned nose makes it one of the more interesting cards in the T205 set, and coupled with the fact that it has the Piedmont 25 back, the most commonly collected of T205 backs, makes this card one of the keys to the set.

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I’m surprised Jack Johnson cards are reasonable. I could see them taking off at some point. Disclosure: I don’t own any.
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Johnny you realize the last on of those sold for $190,000 - about double what the price is for a comparable Mantle.
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

I agree with every part of Leon's response. As for my opinion, I'm inclined that demand will continue to spike for modern international players like Ohtani. And maybe particularly Ohtani. If Ohtani continues to be mentioned annually for MVP consideration, and should he land on a decent team that enables him to compete for a World Series crown, I think his rookie cards including his autographed inserts will undergo even a more meteoric rise in value.
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That’s what I thought when the PBS documentary came out?
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And if those bond bread “” rookies really takeoff, it should also impact the square cornered later produced copies…similar to exhibits. Imho of course.
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[QUOTE=Leon;2293910]And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter./QUOTE]

Ok fair enough. Going more mainstream(ish), I feel that Musial and Hornsby are totally and completely undervalued. These are two of the best players ever, even better than many of the names mentioned here. Yet, their greatness is not reflected in card prices. Perhaps it is because of the cities/sub-markets they played in. Anyway, as prices for the Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, and Gehrig, in pre war, and Mantle, Mays, and Robinson, in post-war, make those players unattainable to many, that "many" will look to the next tier of "all-time" names. To me, Musial and Hornsby were as good as they get and their cards are so relatively affordable that their cards will benefit greatly from this trickle down. So:

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In addition to Hornsby and Musial, I think Ted Williams seems to have been dropped to the 2nd or 3rd tier in collectors' hierarchy over the past decade, and I am not sure why. When I was younger, Williams was always on the shortlist of Top 4-8 players all time. Now, it feels like he is an afterthought in most folks lists of Top 10-15 players.
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110% agree on Williams. He has just been left in the dust for some reason, so a good time to buy? Same with DiMaggio. Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
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I agree--Ted is so undervalued. Specifically, this rookie-era card.
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Wow, the bi-lingual version. Those are the ones where the logoman patch is from a jersey actually worn in an official game by the player on the card.
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It's already at $2 million, can it really go higher?
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2001 Sue Bird rookie card in PSA10 or 2004 Diana Taurasi rookie card in PSA10. This is a serious answer. I think woman's basketball will continue to increase in popularity and these two cards are genuine condition rarities of possibly the two greatest WNBA players ever.
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2001 Sue Bird rookie card in PSA10 or 2004 Diana Taurasi rookie card in PSA10. This is a serious answer. I think woman's basketball will continue to increase in popularity and these two cards are genuine condition rarities of possibly the two greatest WNBA players ever.
Not a 10 but here's the hoping:

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Jay's choice at least explains the path by which this could happen. On so many other answers, especially for baseball cards, and I am guilty of this as well, there seems to be some assumption that future generations are going to somehow make a more realistic assessment than the present one, and so cards in the future won't be mispriced/undervalued. But what's the basis for that? I mean every few months someone starts a thread about undervalued cards and players and we always hear about Foxx and Collins and Spahn and Musial, but decades go by and they are STILL undervalued. What's gonna change?
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If I had to pick 1 card I would guess the star 101 Jordan. If it has to be baseball, 51 Mantle. Like Peter I highly doubt under appreciated players will suddenly sky rocket. The only player I would guess this could happen with is Satchel Paige.
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And if those bond bread “” rookies really takeoff, it should also impact the square cornered later produced copies…similar to exhibits. Imho of course.
if TPG will start grading square corner again. until then, the square corner will be like 80s Star cards 10 years ago.

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On another thread someone posted about the Polo Grounds set, and I added Tom Barker. Both those sets seem extremely affordable for top tier HOF.

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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
Unless your broad is into oversized things.

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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
I don't know. Look at the Jackie 47-66 Exhibits Jackie Robinson card. Has gone up at about the same percentage price increase as the 48/49 Leaf Jackie. Which one has more room to run is difficult to say.

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On another thread someone posted about the Polo Grounds set, and I added Tom Barker. Both those sets seem extremely affordable for top tier HOF.

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Not sure what my pick would be, but I love exhibits and postcards. All Cobb RC postcards have shot up and one that went through the stratosphere would be the Gehrig Exhibits RC! So I wouldn’t dismiss those slightly bigger cards!

Even larger ones like cabinet cards can explode too: W600 Cobb!
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I’ve always liked rare stuff. Some people may think only more common/iconic/mainstream type cards are the way to go. However with rare stuff , regardless of size, it doesn’t take nearly as much demand increase to move the needle in a big way price wise! It will be interesting to see where any future sales of a card like the 1914 BN Ruth go if any surface for sale!
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I’ve always liked rare stuff. Some people may think only more common/iconic/mainstream type cards are the way to go. However with rare stuff , regardless of size, it doesn’t take nearly as much demand increase to move the needle in a big way price wise! It will be interesting to see where any future sales of a card like the 1914 BN Ruth go if any surface for sale!
I think the BN Ruth exceeds T206 Wagner on hammer price next time it comes up, by a healthy margin. $4,000,000+ maybe.
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Couldn't resist...
Well, It does have 16 names like all the kids want, and it is PSA 10 1 of 1!!! I'd say it's more likely to be 1 Doll HAir...

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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
Well, not necessarily broad appeal but increased appeal; something has to make the demand go up.

I doubt it will be something esoteric like rare backs or ink spill variations. Zero chance it is some vintage ATG being re-evaluated by future collectors.

It could be something societal I suppose, akin to the recent rise of the Black pioneers resulting from the recognition of Jackie Robinson's accomplishments and the Negro Leagues as a whole. Maybe with Senga and Yoshida coming into the league, there will be a surge in interest in Japanese players and the 65T Murakami rookie will take off.
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
The 25 Gehrig and 21 Ruth Exhibits have had astonishing growth, despite the lack of a "broad" appeal.
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
I do not agree with this. Lots of oversized cards have gone us significantly in the last decade, such W600 Cobb, Wagner and Matty, all sorts of Cobb postcards, 1921 Exhibit Ruth, 1925 Exhibit Gehrig, etc.
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What single card will increase the most.

If we are talking about sheer numbers of dollars increase, then a very expensive card stands the best chance to increase the most. A T206 Wagner or '52 Mantle will increase more dollars than any $1-20.k current value card we might mention. Heck, a T206 Wagner may easily increase over a million dollars in 10 years. A Hank Aaron RC, or a T206 Cobb red, or a '33 Goudey Ruth will never increase a million dollars in 10 years.

Now if we talk % increase, then a lower value card might take the cake. I could see a semi-prominent $1.-10.k card perhaps doubling for a 100% increase. What specific card might that be? A lot of good choices have been presented so far.
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I think the BN Ruth exceeds T206 Wagner on hammer price next time it comes up, by a healthy margin. $4,000,000+ maybe.
Many years ago both cards in a PSA 1 were sold in the same auction. Ruth went for $450K and Wagner for $400K. Just can't remember which auction house.
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Any RC of someone who becomes a HOFer through the veterans committee.

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