Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?

[Leon]

I will try to clarify the question-

What OTHER t206 tobacco brand has another white bordered baseball T card the same size as T206s? Because that is what would have to be done to do what you suggest.

And also, I guess as devil's advocate, even IF these T213-1s were printed with the other T206s who says they have to be labeled as such?

Originally Posted by tedzan

Leon

Can you expand on this ....."but I can't think of a T206 back that has another white border like that? "…..statement of yours ?

Because to me it is clearly evident that the 1910 COUPON backs, having the same stylistic design as the T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY (frame)--BROAD LEAF-- CYCLE--DRUM cards,
tell us that these COUPON cards were printed and issued concurrently with the T206 AB-BL-CY-DR cards.
Here is my example of this...……...

A - B - C - C - D connection (printed circa Spring/Summer 1910)




TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Leon

I will try to clarify the question-

What OTHER t206 tobacco brand has another white bordered baseball T card the same size as T206s? Because that is what would have to be done to do what you suggest.

And also, I guess as devil's advocate, even IF these T213-1s were printed with the other T206s who says they have to be labeled as such?

Leon


My understanding of Jefferson Burdick's established formula for T206's is that which comprises of white-bordered, brown captioned, cards with ATC advertisements
that were printed and issued within the timeline 1909 to early 1911 ?


TED Z

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[Leon]

Ok, so my understanding comes from the 1942 ACC Supplement and the 1946 ACC, where might yours come from?

Originally Posted by tedzan

Leon
My understanding of Jefferson Burdick's established formula for T206's is that which comprises of white-bordered, brown captioned, cards with ATC advertisements
that were printed and issued within the timeline 1909 to early 1911 ?

TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ok, so my understanding comes from the 1942 ACC Supplement and the 1946 ACC, where might yours come from?

Leon

In the 1970's - 1980's, my understanding of the T206 set was first developed by talking BB cards with these hobby greats...…

Bill Heitman
Irv Lerner
Frank Nagy

It's a shame Jefferson Burdick didn't live to be 90, we would have been very fortunate to discuss all this hobby stuff with him.


TED Z

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[MichelaiTorres83]

I do not know who those people are but that sounds like heresay.

I do not have an opinion either way but I can see the argument.

To that point:

Couldn’t a wolf be considered a breed of dog or all dogs are wolves. What determines a wolf is not a dog?

A few characteristics and someone at some point in time someone some where decided there is enough of a difference that they should be considered two sepeate things followed by a bunch of people accepting that.

Will you find people that think a wolf is a dog? Yep.

[t206fix]

The coupon back does not include "350 Subjects" like the others (AB, cycle, drum, BL). Why?

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by t206fix

The coupon back does not include "350 Subjects" like the others (AB, cycle, drum, BL). Why?

Off the top of my head Hindu, Old Mill, and EPDG do not state 150 subjects, 350 subjects, etc either. Edited to add, after looking Polar Bear, Carolina Brights and Tolstoi do not state subjects on the back either.