t222 fatima cards

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Posted By: joyce

i need to know if the player cards are tuffer than the team cards,any help will do thanks joyce

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Posted By: barrysloate

Yes Joyce, the single player Fatimas are tougher than the team ones.

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Posted By: Todd

it's good to see a new post regarding cards !

I agree. The player cards are tougher than the team cards

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Being back here is like picking up a ball glove you've worn 20 years...


The players are available in varying degrees, some player cards are much less plentiful than others. Seems to me that the team cards are slightly more plentiful than the easiest obtainable player cards.

FW

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Posted By: Joyce

Thank you for responding. I've tried to attach this photo of the card.
Let me know what you think. . .
Joyce

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Posted By: Ron Diamond

What! I've owned a number of player cards but have never seen a 'team card'! But, if Barry says so...it must be so.

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Posted By: leon

There are over 50 listed right now on ebay. Knock yourself out..

http://sports-cards.shop.ebay.com/items/Sports-Mem-Cards-Fan-Shop__t200_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_flnZ1QQ_sacZ1QQ_sacatZ6 4482QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hey Ron...

Ever since I posted a recurring thought has been that someone would mistakenly think from what was posted that a Fatima team card should cost less than a player card...

I have some player cards. I have never owned one of the small team cards. I'd like to get just one, some day.

But if I look at eBay, or if I look at old mail lists and catalogs, it sure seems that team cards were listed with greater frequency than team cards.

Oddly, some of the player cards, when found, are more affordable than team cards. So the way I see it, if a fellow just had to have a Fatima photo card, he'd probably come across a T200 small team card before he would a T222 player card. Even though some of the player cards, when found, oftentimes sell for less.

I suspect that some folks just want a type card of each. Some shoot for a T200 of their favorite team, or of a league, or all 16. And even fewer folks put forth serious effort for a set of the players. The players are extremely difficult to complete. Cards of John Henry, Walter Johnson, Nemo Leibold, and a few others are seldom seen, seldom available.

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Posted By: fkw

IMO T200s are much more common than T222s overall. But they both have scarcities within each set. On the T222s.... The high numbers (number in the corner) is one way to tell, the higher the number the tougher they are (12-15 are the toughest).

Also the othersport cards (Track, etc.) within T222 are very tough too.

PS that T222 Demaree card has nice eye appeal for a so called "Poor" card. Im sure you can find a far uglier "Poor" card..... they (graders) should use "Poor" for the worst of the worst.

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Posted By: joyce

you guys are the best ,,i just wanted to own a team player card,,i own a cleavland and new york team cards sgc 30,,,i collect baseball cards from the 1800s to the 30s and you guys are always very helpfull ,,,love this web site,joyce

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Posted By: joyce

thank you ,i also agree it looks much nicer than a poor grade ,,looking at others on ebay now ,,,,

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Posted By: joyce

thank you leon,,now i cant get off my laptop with all these cards for sale ,wow,,,im one of the few women here leon but always read what you have to say ,,you do a great job ,thanks for the info ,,joyce

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Posted By: leon

You are more than welcome. It's always good to have a ladies perspective around here. You and Joann keep us guys in check ...take care

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Posted By: Marty Pritchard

The T200 set is 16 cards and it would not take very long to find and purchase one of each. The T222 set is 52 cards, with some difficult short prints. I have seen complete sets of T200's for sale, but I have not seen a complete set of T222. I believe that with the T222, as with many sets, if there is not an ample supply of cards, there will not be as much interest. As noted, some collectors have never seen any. It is also difficult to find the cards in higher grades. There are relative few that will grade even excellent. Cobb is absent from this set as well as seveal other of the major stars. Alexander and Johnson are included and are the highest list price cards in the set.

I am short about half of the short print cards for my set.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Players are more scarce than the team cards. The 2 toughest team cards are the New York Americans and Boston Nationals. I believe in the individual players that the Washington players were all short printed. Dan.

P.S. You can swap my order on the team toughies if you like Joe.

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Posted By: Bruce Dorskind

We have collected type cards for more than 30 years.

It has been our experience that the T222s with the exception
of four or five players that seem to always appear- i.e. Lapp,
are significantly more difficult to obtain than the T200 cards.

Of the many sets, we collect, we also found that this set was among
the five most difficult to obtain an ultra high grade example.

In fact, we own the only T222 which has been ever graded PSA 7

To learn more about the set, you may want to check several old
issues of the Trader Speaks. There was a feature story on T 222
in the late 1970's

Good luck in your collecting


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: Mike Peich

Hi All,

I want to concur with Bruce that the T222 Fatimas are extremely difficult to find in high quality condition. I have one SGC 50 (Maisel) in my collection, with the balance of the set fairly evenly distributed between SGC 40-30-20. They were printed on photographic paper (very thin and easily creased), which gives them the clarity of image that attracted me the first time I saw one, but also made them easily damaged. That being said, when I started my set (now finished) I took any card I could find despite the condition, especially short print examples.

Marty: An excellent venue for viewing a complete set is Bill Cornell's visually entertaining and highly informative website, www.t207.com. I spent a lot of time looking and learning from Bill's site while I assembled my set.

I love the set and am happy to look at the cards regularly, especially John "Bull" Henry who took up residence at my house a few months ago (he's a quiet guy). Enjoy the cards, and thanks for starting this thread, Joyce.

Cheers,
Mike

PS--Hey Bruce: Want to donate your SGC70 to my set in an even swap?

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Posted By: Bruce Dorskind

Thanks for the offer, but we will pass

Our card is a PSA 7 or SGC 84- Benton

It is the highest graded T222 in existence

Our goal, as you know, is to assemble the ultimate ultra high grade type collection.
Accordingly our PSA 7 of Benton would be impossible to replace


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: Matt

My only T222 is an Alexander - as was discussed above, centering problems and the propensity for wrinkling on these is high, so when I found this one I jumped at it. Nice centering, corners, and not a single wrinkle. Plus, because this one had a missing corner, it came cheap

My Trade/Sale Page

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Posted By: Jerry Spillman

The August 1979 TS cover pictures T222 cards but there is no article written about that set in that issue. However there is a short article on the T200 & the T222 Fatima Issues written by Joe Michalowicz in the July 1983 TS.

A most outstanding T222 Fatima article was written by Bill Cornell. It appears in the VCBC issue #32.