T206 R B SHEINER Wagner

[lieaware]

wagner and ty cobb have had had them for a while...,....would like to see if their authentic ????/??someday???????

[ullmandds]

They are not !

[ullmandds]

Nice touch though putting a rubber stamp on an incredibly rare Piedmont back Wagner

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

They are not !

what makes you so sure ....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by lieaware

what makes you so sure ....

yeah, you tell him!!

[lieaware]

the ty cobb MIGHT BE

[shammus]

Sorry man....but that Cobb looks like it came off a dot-matrix printer. The picture on it isn't sharp at all, the whole thing looks fuzzy.

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by shammus

Sorry man....but that Cobb looks like it came off a dot-matrix printer. The picture on it isn't sharp at all, the whole thing looks fuzzy.

I have had them both under micro scopes the wagner Is the marginal call

[lieaware]

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Originally Posted by shammus

Sorry man....but that Cobb looks like it came off a dot-matrix printer. The picture on it isn't sharp at all, the whole thing looks fuzzy.

new picture

[lieaware]

I HAVE SEEN THE SAME CARD SOLD FOR $$$$THOUGH I believe the one that sold was the fake $$$$ @ an online auction site" goooolden" the TY Cobb...King of the tobacco World though the Wagner ?????

[Tripredacus]

Unnatural wear but if you don't believe what people on a forum say, submit them for grading.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by lieaware

what makes you so sure ....

Probably the fact that they aren't real? People on this board aren't idiots.

[Bigb13]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Probably the fact that they aren't real? People on this board aren't idiots.

some are very questionable?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

some are very questionable?

Robert, you opened the door with this comment.

[Joshchisox08]

Something looks extremely off about both the front and the back on both cards. Font, color and size looks goofy.

Paper stock looks off.

Wagner the redish/pink variation?

This looks like a bad eBay listing. If you wanted to be taken seriously perhaps better quality pictures of both cards and displaying them separate at view-able angles would be a start.

[shammus]

Here's a bunch of real Cobbs...
https://www.google.com/search?q=ty+c...ORLTAN2T0JM%3A

Notice how clear and sharp they all are? See how yours compares to these? Yours is fuzzy and grainy.

Yes, there was once a Cobb with a Ty Cobb back that sold for big money. But it was real.

As for the Wagner, there's no pinkish-orangish variation of that card I'm afraid.

Hope you didn't spend too much for these, but if you feel all of us are wrong, just send them in for grading and let us know how it turns out.

[Luke]

Yeah, these are bad fakes. Hope you didn't pay much for them, and also hope you didn't use google to find a card forum to try and rip someone off. Nothing personal but this is what I think every time someone joins the forum just to show off some reprints. Ironically this is the worst place on the internet to try and sell a fake tobacco card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Your Cobb card is a reprint of this one. Notice the creases are identical. As already said, I hope you didn't pay too much.

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your Cobb card is a reprint of this one. Notice the creases are identical. As already said, I hope you didn't pay too much.

how dose the back look what is the yellow tint

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your Cobb card is a reprint of this one. Notice the creases are identical. As already said, I hope you didn't pay too much.

is that your card ....I would like to see it next to mine...

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your Cobb card is a reprint of this one. Notice the creases are identical. As already said, I hope you didn't pay too much.

the comma is so pronounced in the damage of the one you show......

[Sean]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

this is the worst place on the internet to try and sell a fake tobacco card.

.....or a Cobb/Lenox.

[Bigb13]

Originally Posted by Sean

.....or a Cobb/Lenox.

Must you continue being a jerk?

[shammus]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Yeah, these are bad fakes. Hope you didn't pay much for them, and also hope you didn't use google to find a card forum to try and rip someone off. Nothing personal but this is what I think every time someone joins the forum just to show off some reprints. Ironically this is the worst place on the internet to try and sell a fake tobacco card.

I'd agree with this. And this particular poster is turning a blind eye to everything he's being told, is ignoring all evidence and still insists his cards are real. That's a very scammer-like quality in my opinion. Honestly, not only are they fakes, they're obvious and poorly done fakes at that. Nobody here is going to be fooled by these.

[IMAXMAX]

Charlie Faust the 4th?

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by shammus

Here's a bunch of real Cobbs...
https://www.google.com/search?q=ty+c...ORLTAN2T0JM%3A

Notice how clear and sharp they all are? See how yours compares to these? Yours is fuzzy and grainy.

Yes, there was once a Cobb with a Ty Cobb back that sold for big money. But it was real.

As for the Wagner, there's no pinkish-orangish variation of that card I'm afraid.

Hope you didn't spend too much for these, but if you feel all of us are wrong, just send them in for grading and let us know how it turns out.

.did you see good pictures of The Ty Cobb that sold for 100,000+++total strike out 123 1the lettering on the back was missing parts where the wrinkle is on my card 2 the plastic on the case looked snowy 3 ........I have the same card pictured that G auctions Sold.....

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by lieaware

.did you see good pictures of The Ty Cobb that sold for 100,000+++total strike out 123 1the lettering on the back was missing parts where the wrinkle is on my card 2 the plastic on the case looked snowy 3 ........I have the same card pictured that G auctions Sold.....

I'm not sure how many ways it has to be said. Yours is a very poor copy of the one that sold at Goldin. That was the original. Yours is the fake.

The Wagner is so bad it might not even be a copy of an original. That one might be just a distressed reprint as opposed to your Cobb which is a distressed copy of an actual card.

Tom C

[Bpm0014]

I like how half of the Wagner, in the original picture, is basically blocked out by the other holder....

[Thirteen]

I like how the back stamp survived the paper loss that is underneath it.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by lieaware

.did you see good pictures of The Ty Cobb that sold for 100,000+++total strike out 123 1the lettering on the back was missing parts where the wrinkle is on my card 2 the plastic on the case looked snowy 3 ........I have the same card pictured that G auctions Sold.....

Is this a joke, or do you actually believe these cards are real? If the latter is true, why waste time trying to convince a forum? If I believed I found the two most valuable cards in the hobby in a raw state, my first call would be to PSA to set up an appointment for their walk through service. My second would be to book a flight to southern California, assuming you don't already live here.

[Mdmtx]

I am appalled at the answers here. I will offer 500k for the pair. However, I may have to go purchase a couple monopoly games to secure proper loot for the transaction.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Is this a joke, or do you actually believe these cards are real? If the latter is true, why waste time trying to convince a forum? If I believed I found the two most valuable cards in the hobby in a raw state, my first call would be to PSA to set up an appointment for their walk through service. My second would be to book a flight to southern California, assuming you don't already live here.

Jesse, good point. Exactly what is the endgame? Is it
1- You genuinely believe the cards are real? If so, have them graded. They'll be worth at least half a million dollars.

2- You want our opinion of the cards? If so, stop arguing with us. We've given you our opinion: they're fakes.

3- You came here to sell them? In that case, list them on the BST board. And please, include a price. I hate to be the one to begin the negotiations.