recent auto counterfeits - the effects on auto collecting??

[mrvster]

with the recent T206 counterfeit auto's out there, I was always leary about autos in general.....they just seem to easy that someone could fake.....


anyway, with these new developments (which has always been a hobby problem)


Are you more likely to stay away from autos in general????

unless you have the provenance of photos of the piece being signed ect ect


because TPG's obviously just sell "opinions"

and we know about opinions everyone has one

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Originally Posted by mrvster

with the recent T206 counterfeit auto's out there, I was always leary about autos in general.....they just seem to easy that someone could fake.....
anyway, with these new developments (which has always been a hobby problem)
Are you more likely to stay away from autos in general????
unless you have the provenance of photos of the piece being signed ect ect
because TPG's obviously just sell "opinions"
and we know about opinions everyone has one

I think the market for prewar signed cards has taken breath to reflect and calm down. I don’t think the overall autograph market will change for most guys like Mantle, Williams, Jeter, etc etc. Modern stuff will probably be fine. But the next signed goudey or T206 will be subject to Mannys approval.
Outside of this board, I don’t think many people in the hobby are even aware of it yet.

[perezfan]

On a personal level, I am shying away from autographs more these days.

Much of the lustre has worn off for me (for the time-being, anyway) and there are so many other segments of the hobby to collect... both in terms of cards and memorabilia.

The TPGs are "iffy" at best (nothing new) and I've always favored doing my own homework over blind reliance on them. But this whole episode just adds another negative variable, and makes me want to shift my interest elsewhere.

I'm sure the hardcore autograph guys will remain undeterred, but it's never been my primary focus, anyway.

[Exhibitman]

One of those Historic Autographs things with a card and cut in a custom PSA/DNA slab sold the other night in Sterling with a T206 Flick and Flick 'shaky old man' cut for $167 including vig. The card was a decent looking g-vg Piedmont 150 which would have gone for $100-$150 as a slabbed card in and of itself. So, basically, the bidders discounted the PSA/DNA cut signature to a very low value.

[mrvster]

dumping near close to 100k on a high end auto, and the tpg got it wrong, chet in the back "cooked" up the auto....too risky....

I would want a photo of the player signing the piece!

[Laxcat]

There is only one Auto I’m chasing in 2019. Nile Kinnick is the major whole in my Heisman collection. I believe if I find one with the right provenance I’ll pull the trigger.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by mrvster

dumping near close to 100k on a high end auto, and the tpg got it wrong, chet in the back "cooked" up the auto....too risky....

I would want a photo of the player signing the piece!

High end collectors have spent a lot more on pre-war high grade cards residing in 8, 9 and 10 holders, as well as major game used uniforms/equipment. Do the 3rd party graders have these types of collectibles at a 100% certainty level? The simple answer is no. Vast collecting niches in this hobby require sone “leap of faith” based on the TPG’s assessments, not just autographs. If it makes the collector uncomfortable, stay away. If it doesn’t, God Bless and go for it. Most collectors with high-end purse strings continue to prove they will test that “leap of faith” collecting angle, and don’t expect that to change in the near future.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by mrvster

with the recent T206 counterfeit auto's out there, I was always leary about autos in general.....they just seem to easy that someone could fake.....


anyway, with these new developments (which has always been a hobby problem)


Are you more likely to stay away from autos in general????

unless you have the provenance of photos of the piece being signed ect ect


because TPG's obviously just sell "opinions"

and we know about opinions everyone has one

This sad development hasn’t negatively impacted high-end signed cards whatsoever. During the extensive Net54 T206 thread, SCP realized the 2nd highest price for a 52 Topps Signed Mantle ($83K) and recorded an extremely strong $41K sake for a signed 51 Mantle Bowman rookie. They also set Various records for a few other Mantle autographed cards. Not to be outdone, a 1928 Lou Gehrig Signed exhibit realized a staggering $77K record sale in Memory Lane. The highest amount ever paid for a signed Lou Gehrig card. REA had just set a record for a signed Babe Ruth Goudey that fetched $132K! Bottom line here is that high-end signed cards are stronger than ever, and a bad incident is not going to dismantle the premium signed baseball card market