Ninth man out? Joe Gedeon

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Posted By: Steve M.

While browsing I found that one Joe Gedeon, second baseman for the St. Louis Browns, learned of the 1919 Series fix from friends on the White Sox and bet money on Cincinnati and was banned for life by Landis. He played for Washington in 1913 and 1914; New York Americans in 1916 and 1917; and St. Louis 1918 through 1920. Is Joe the Gedeon appearing in the 1915 Zeenut set?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Yes sir, that is him. And a nice card you have there!!! I'd like to get one of those.

Joe played second base for the Yankees, Senators, and Browns. Swede Risberg told Joe about the "fix", Joe bet on the Reds and won $600. Joe was with San Francisco in 1912, Los Angeles in 1914, and Salt Lake City in 1915. One of his team-mates then was Jap Barbeau, who played a little 3rd base. At that point Jap's major league career was over, Jap is in T206.

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Posted By: Steve M.

That sure makes the 1915 set a little more difficult what with McMullin, Risberg and Williams in there as well.

Here is Joe in the 1912 set. He is also in the 1914 set.

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Posted By: Bob

Steve- Now you understand why I was trying so hard to win that Gedeon card you beat me out on
Bob

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Posted By: Bob

BTW- Dickie Kerr was also called the 9th Man Out. Kerr, who was clean and won 2 games for the Sox in the series, was blackballed from baseball by Charles Comiskey in 1921 I believe, and Landis wouldn't do a thing about it. It had nothing to do with the WS, I seem to recall he held out in 1920 (or 21).

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Posted By: Steve M.

than me gunga din. If I hadn't needed a Z15 for my type set I would have probably passed on it. And with the aquisition of the McMullin I probably would have put him on the B/S/T at some ridiculously low price.

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Posted By: S Gross

Kerr was blacklisted for Barnstorming in off-season, I beleive.

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Posted By: Mark Evans

I think this thread is a terrific example of the wonder of this board -- commentary on a fascinating topic (Black Sox) by experts from around the country. Thanks again to Elliot, Bill, Leon & Brian for all their efforts.

Not that there's anything wrong about the Iraq thread(s). Personally, I appreciate Leon allowing them to run their course. I think they serve a valuable function, if only to allow bright, concerned folks to vent their views.

Forgive the rambling, perhaps too much wine on this sunny, moderate afternoon in Falls Church. Mark

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Posted By: Steve M.

Can anyone confirm that the Elmer John Gedeon who played for Washington in 1939 and died in 1944 was the son of Elmer Joseph Gedeon who is the subject matter of this thread?

BTW on a prior thread it was noted that Elmer John Gedeon was one of two men who played in the majors killed in WW2. Anyone know who the other one was?

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Posted By: Paul

I thought I was the only person who called Dickie Kerr the Ninth Man Out. I called him that in an ebay auction where I was selling his E122 American Caramel card. My understanding from various stories on the internet is that he went barnstorming in the 1921 or 1922 off-season to make a little extra money. Because of this, he was banned by Landis. He was actually a rookie in 1919, did extremely well during the regular season and won both games he pitched in the Series. There's no question he was clean. He just found a different way than the others to deal with Comiskey's penny pinching, but got the same result.

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Posted By: mvsnyc

there were something like "22 men out"...Landis had a field-day when he first came on as commisioner, banning many players who were linked with gambling and "throwing" games...

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Posted By: howard

Harry O'Neill was the other major leaguer killed in WW2. He died on Iwo Jima with a few thousand of his buddies.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Can anyone post a scan of a Gedeon card???

Thanks.

Frank.

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Posted By: daryle

Look on the thread titled "Show your Black Sox stuff" or something like that.........I have a Famous & Barr Gedeon pictured there