Ty Cobb 1911 D304 General Bakery, "Star Breads" Card

[ullmandds]

is the op Canadian?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

That makes no spence the Lou g.

Don Spence?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

I'm just glad I'm not a collector this forum is biased and completely predatory

Yes, the forum is biased against morons with fake cards. Glad you noticed.

[Skrubinski]

The bad part is that I didn't try to get anything by anyone. I asked a simple question. Cards are being graded by experts not wannabes

[Skrubinski]

So pound salt

[Skrubinski]

If it's real would rather sell to someone else

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

The bad part is that I didn't try to get anything by anyone. I asked a simple question. Cards are being graded by experts not wannabes

The bad part is that you have fake cards. The good part is that we're laughing at you and your fake cards.

[ksabet]

These are real too:

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one

Rather than show yours to everyone like a cat. Did you know cat's turning their rear to you means they like you...? Do you like us

[HRBAKER]

Now those are rounded corners.

[MMarvelli]

Originally Posted by ksabet

These are real too:

Rounded corners...dead giveaway!

[Bocabirdman]

Steve,

You, of course, would rub our noses in the final product, slabbed and graded, but will you man up an admit when we are proven 100% correct? (because we are).

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Steve, they are 100% fakes, it's okay. You tried to come on a vintage card site and get them by the experts.

We're only kidding with you, we're having a party. You haven't been here very long and we're breaking your balls, and you're getting f*cking fresh. We're sorry, we didn't mean to offend you.....

Now go home and get your f*ckin' shinebox.

LOL...you mudda***** (joe pesci voice)

[Skrubinski]

Not planning on doing either. Some already graded and yup I can state without exception that the ones already graded are not fake but as I only joined to ask a simple question and the responses have not at anytime provided the answer best of luck. I have nothing to prove to anyone on this site.

[Bocabirdman]

Gee....I feel s-o-o-o-o-o-o-o used

[frankbmd]

Tomorrow we will all be fawning over "The Strubinski Find".

We are a fickle group.

I can't wait to see those grades myself.

Thanks for sharing.

By the way you can also post on the April Pick-up Thread.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

Not planning on doing either. Some already graded and yup I can state without exception that the ones already graded are not fake but as I only joined to ask a simple question and the responses have not at anytime provided the answer best of luck. I have nothing to prove to anyone on this site.

Suddenly, they are graded? If that were true, you would have posted scans of the slabs to rub our noses in it. Has Adrian slipped past Leon?

[Paul S]

A guy and his dog walk into a bar...

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

The bad part is that I didn't try to get anything by anyone. I asked a simple question. Cards are being graded by experts not wannabes

Absolutely not trying to bust your balls but the reason people started to take offense to your posts and started getting snippy with you is when you started taking potshots at this forum and saying only those who touch the cards, local dealers, and grading companies are the true experts. Myself and any number of the "experts" on this forum have literally dealt thousands of these cards in out lifetimes and to say some local card-shop owner knows more than the least knowledgeable guy here is laughable at best--those guys may know the best Robinson Cano rookie but not this type of stuff. We can literally spot fakes like these from a mile away. Guess where the grading companies come when they don't know a particular set? Guarantee they go to someone that calls this site home!

Just as an FYI, a true vintage find will almost NEVER have cards that range in age from 1910 era to the mid-1950's, that and where are the commons? The biggest red-flag EVER when looking at cards at future estate sales is the following... for every Mickey Mantle, Ty Cobb, or Babe Ruth there should be equal numbers of Carl Willey, Davy Jones or George Earnshaw's! If you only find big names from all different eras. from different sets, all with equal amounts of wear to corners it shouldn't pass the initial smell test.

Again, not trying to bust your balls, just giving you some insight for future reference.

-Rhett Yeakley

[Skrubinski]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Suddenly, they are graded? If that were true, you would have posted scans of the slabs to rub our noses in it. Has Adrian slipped past Leon?

Take a second and read post some are graded yes but not final so I don't have in my hands but whatever. What a waste of my time to ask a question. Glad I'm not relying on this group to get real answers

[Skrubinski]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Absolutely not trying to bust your balls but the reason people started to take offense to your posts and started getting snippy with you is when you started taking potshots at this forum and saying only those who touch the cards, local dealers, and grading companies are the true experts. Myself and any number of the "experts" on this forum have literally dealt thousands of these cards in out lifetimes and to say some local card-shop owner knows more than the least knowledgeable guy here is laughable at best--those guys may know the best Robinson Cano rookie but not this type of stuff. We can literally spot fakes like these from a mile away. Guess where the grading companies come when they don't know a particular set? Guarantee they go to someone that calls this site home!

Just as an FYI, a true vintage find will almost NEVER have cards that range in age from 1910 era to the mid-1950's, that and where are the commons? The biggest red-flag EVER when looking at cards at future estate sales is the following... for every Mickey Mantle, Ty Cobb, or Babe Ruth there should be equal numbers of Carl Willey, Davy Jones or George Earnshaw's! If you only find big names from all different eras. from different sets, all with equal amounts of wear to corners it shouldn't pass the initial smell test.

Again, not trying to bust your balls, just giving you some insight for future reference.

-Rhett Yeakley

So to get this straight. Every collector does it exactly like this group. Enjoy

[Skrubinski]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

So to get this straight. Every collector does it exactly like this group. Enjoy

Worst mistake for anyone is to ask a question of anyone on this site. You might know what your doing but I doubt any of you can do what even seasoned professionals can do grade by poor picture

[Skrubinski]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

Worst mistake for anyone is to ask a question of anyone on this site. You might know what your doing but I doubt any of you can do what even seasoned professionals can do grade by poor picture

Cant

[Skrubinski]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Tomorrow we will all be fawning over "The Strubinski Find".

We are a fickle group.

I can't wait to see those grades myself.

Thanks for sharing.

By the way you can also post on the April Pick-up Thread.

Not putting good or bad results on this. I can care less my cost is only grading and the time I wasted on this site

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

Cant

quite get it out?

There is an edit feature in each post so you can edit grammatical errors, fyi....

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

You might know what your doing but I doubt any of you can do what even seasoned professionals can do grade by poor picture

Who are these "seasoned professionals"? The young kids that grade for PSA and SGC? You can't really be serious. The people on this forum have more knowledge in their little fingers. Also, what you posted wasn't as "poor" of a picture as you are letting on... every single red-flag imaginable is in every one of your pictures you have posted, go re-read my post as it is obvious you didn't read it to begin with. The later pictures are even worse (and even more fake)!

You literally have a group of the most knowledgeable pre-WW2 baseball card collectors on the planet right here and you keep taking pot-shots at them and then feigning that you were totally innocuous when you came here and everyone is just ganging up on you.

Tip of the day for you... when confronted by someone who knows a hell of a lot more than you do... shut up and listen!

Edited to add: I'm calling "bull-crap" on you claiming any of the cards you just posted were graded! You have scanning capabilities so prove me wrong. What you have is the garden variety vintage card scam that many people fall for that aren't well-versed in the hobby, nothing to get bent out of shape over as you said you weren't out much money but me thinks thou doth protest too much...

[Iron Horse]

Finally some juicy read

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

Not putting good or bad results on this. I can care less my cost is only grading and the time I wasted on this site

First of all, you type as if you've had a stroke -- is that your problem? Second, to lie and act as if you don't care if the cards are real just makes you look like more of an idiot than before (assuming this is possible). If real, you'll have your biggest payday in your life. If not, you're back to whatever hum drum, post-stroke job in which you're currently mired. And if you're constantly bemoaning the time you've "wasted" on this site, why not take your fake cards and GTFO?

[barrysloate]

Skrubinski- Sorry I'm a little late here but I am out of town this week. Where do I start. First off, it's really bad form to come on a forum with many of the most knowledgeable collectors in the hobby and call them idiots.That will never work. We get a lot of threads like this, where people who aren't collectors find things and ask the experts what they think. We're all pretty good at this.

And before you go calling me an idiot (you wouldn't be the first to do so) I've been a full time dealer of baseball memorabilia since 1982. That said, none of the cards you found appear to be real. Certainly, the d304 Cobb is without a doubt a reprint. When you hear from SGC today, you will find that out.

Do you notice that every corner of every card you have has pretty much the same exact corner wear? That's a really bad sign right there. Cards don't all wear in exactly the same way.

Anyway, you will find out the bad news for yourself. But bad form all the way around.

[chipperhank44]

I'm late to the party as well, but I've learned along the way that anytime you find extremely high dollar cards from different eras all together without any other mid-range to low-end cards, you should be very suspicious.

Also, the cards you have are without a doubt some of the most often faked cards I've seen over the past few years. Fake Hank Aaron Rookies, Leaf Ted Williams & Stan Musials, and Goudey Babe Ruths turn up at small local auctions and estate sales fairly regularly. I was honestly surprised not to see a 1956 Mantle included, it's a staple as well in that grouping of fake cards.

[frankbmd]

Given the fact that this was an estate sale, I suspect the owner died a happy man. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a Wagner in his coffin............................in a screwdown holder of course.

[Sean1125]

Jeff, you've used too many long words for me.

[CW]

I can't wait to hear the results!

Although, I guess if we don't hear back at all, we can assume what happened...

If the OP comes on here and admits that SGC found them all to be not authentic, I will gain a lot of respect for him (I actually think he's handled the abuse on here quite well, all things considered. And, yes, the OP could've used a bit more tact).

[sycks22]

My favorite part of the thread is when he comments on his own comments.

[ctownboy]

IMHO, this is a late April Fool's Day joke.

I have gone and still go to a lot of auctions. Large, small, indoor, outdoor, city, country, ones that start at 9 A.M. and ones that start at 7 P.M. It is VERY hard for me to believe that these cards were found in the bottom of a box and NOBODY knew they were there (especially the auctioneers).

No matter WHAT auction I have gone to, there are ALWAYS people digging through EVERY box to see what is in it. So even if people didn't know the real value of these cards there had to be a couple of people at the auction who would have at least thrown some bids on these things to drive their price up to more than $100 dollars. This is especially true since all the cards seem to be of big name players.

I can understand if a handful of common T 206 cards were found and nobody at an auction knew that a Drum back on one of them was something special. But, come on, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson and other big name players?

NOBODY else saw these cards in the bottom of a box and NOBODY decided to run the OP up in price just for the heck of it?

A few years ago, I went to an auction SPECIFICALLY for a stack of B-18 blankets. When they came up, only two other people even paid attention to the stack and that was because the auctioneer made a big deal out of these being older baseball items.

Only another guy and myself were bidding on them and I had the top bid at $100 dollars (there were 39 total blankets in the stack including a Walter Johnson) so I was stoked to think that I was going to get these so inexpensively. At that moment, however, a wealthy guy who regularly attends this auction noticed what was going on. He bid me up until I won the blankets for $325 dollars. Still a good deal but not as good as it could have been.

The moral is, at EVERY auction I have ever attended there is ALWAYS at least one person there who has money and who will bid something up (even if they don't really know what it is and don't really have any interest in it) just because they think someone else is getting a good deal on it.

David

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

IMHO, this is a late April Fool's Day joke.

I have gone and still go to a lot of auctions. Large, small, indoor, outdoor, city, country, ones that start at 9 A.M. and ones that start at 7 P.M. It is VERY hard for me to believe that these cards were found in the bottom of a box and NOBODY knew they were there (especially the auctioneers).

No matter WHAT auction I have gone to, there are ALWAYS people digging through EVERY box to see what is in it. So even if people didn't know the real value of these cards there had to be a couple of people at the auction who would have at least thrown some bids on these things to drive their price up to more than $100 dollars. This is especially true since all the cards seem to be of big name players.

I can understand if a handful of common T 206 cards were found and nobody at an auction knew that a Drum back on one of them was something special. But, come on, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson and other big name players?

NOBODY else saw these cards in the bottom of a box and NOBODY decided to run the OP up in price just for the heck of it?

A few years ago, I went to an auction SPECIFICALLY for a stack of B-18 blankets. When they came up, only two other people even paid attention to the stack and that was because the auctioneer made a big deal out of these being older baseball items.

Only another guy and myself were bidding on them and I had the top bid at $100 dollars (there were 39 total blankets in the stack including a Walter Johnson) so I was stoked to think that I was going to get these so inexpensively. At that moment, however, a wealthy guy who regularly attends this auction noticed what was going on. He bid me up until I won the blankets for $325 dollars. Still a good deal but not as good as it could have been.

The moral is, at EVERY auction I have ever attended there is ALWAYS at least one person there who has money and who will bid something up (even if they don't really know what it is and don't really have any interest in it) just because they think someone else is getting a good deal on it.

David

I believe his tale involves an estate sale not an auction.

[buymycards]

I'm not sure I believe the "estate sale" story. I'm thinking he feels we are a bunch of dopes and we would be making offers on his fake cards.

I doubt that he has submitted anything to SGC. A scan of the SGC submission form would prove me wrong.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I'm not sure I believe the "estate sale" story. I'm thinking he feels we are a bunch of dopes and we would be making offers on his fake cards.

I doubt that he has submitted anything to SGC. A scan of the SGC submission form would prove me wrong.

Rick... Assuming they were submitted.... We KNOW he would be back to gloat should they by some miracle get a grade. The real question is if he will cowboy up and admit they are garbage when they come back unslabbed. Likely, we have heard the last from him.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

IMHO, this is a late April Fool's Day joke.

I have gone and still go to a lot of auctions. Large, small, indoor, outdoor, city, country, ones that start at 9 A.M. and ones that start at 7 P.M. It is VERY hard for me to believe that these cards were found in the bottom of a box and NOBODY knew they were there (especially the auctioneers).

No matter WHAT auction I have gone to, there are ALWAYS people digging through EVERY box to see what is in it. So even if people didn't know the real value of these cards there had to be a couple of people at the auction who would have at least thrown some bids on these things to drive their price up to more than $100 dollars. This is especially true since all the cards seem to be of big name players.

I can understand if a handful of common T 206 cards were found and nobody at an auction knew that a Drum back on one of them was something special. But, come on, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson and other big name players?

NOBODY else saw these cards in the bottom of a box and NOBODY decided to run the OP up in price just for the heck of it?

A few years ago, I went to an auction SPECIFICALLY for a stack of B-18 blankets. When they came up, only two other people even paid attention to the stack and that was because the auctioneer made a big deal out of these being older baseball items.

Only another guy and myself were bidding on them and I had the top bid at $100 dollars (there were 39 total blankets in the stack including a Walter Johnson) so I was stoked to think that I was going to get these so inexpensively. At that moment, however, a wealthy guy who regularly attends this auction noticed what was going on. He bid me up until I won the blankets for $325 dollars. Still a good deal but not as good as it could have been.

The moral is, at EVERY auction I have ever attended there is ALWAYS at least one person there who has money and who will bid something up (even if they don't really know what it is and don't really have any interest in it) just because they think someone else is getting a good deal on it.

David

You would think that this would be the case where authentic cards of big stars like Ruth would not go unnoticed. However, as another poster mentioned, it was an estate sale, and these things do happen such as here: Link, where the OP found an authentic Eclipse Ruth strip at an estate sale for sale in a ziplock bag for $10! This has been the only uncut salesman strip that has ever been found with Ruth. I purchased a Universal Toy panel with Ruth from a seller on ebay earlier this year, who told me he also found it at an estate sale. Last year, there was a "find" for a partial set of extremely rare Sociedade cards, which had multiple Ruth and Gehrig cards, where the ebay seller told me he picked up at a flea market, of all places. So, these things do happen more often than you would think.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by glchen

You would think that this would be the case where authentic cards of big stars like Ruth would not go unnoticed. However, as another poster mentioned, it was an estate sale, and these things do happen such as here: Link, where the OP found an authentic Eclipse Ruth strip at an estate sale for sale in a ziplock bag for $10! This has been the only uncut salesman strip that has ever been found with Ruth. I purchased a Universal Toy panel with Ruth from a seller on ebay earlier this year, who told me he also found it at an estate sale. Last year, there was a "find" for a partial set of extremely rare Sociedade cards, which had multiple Ruth and Gehrig cards, where the ebay seller told me he picked up at a flea market, of all places. So, these things do happen more often than you would think.

Perhaps such finds could occur at an Estate Sale. In this case though, it matters not whether they are from an Estate Sale, an Auction or Grandpa's attic. The cards, at least the ones he has provided scans for, are reprints.

[Rickyy]

The scan definitely looks like the reprint card of D304 that has been enhanced (corners rounded) to look older...also as Pete mentioned, the blurry image is another tell tale sign...the originals retain a sharper image. The four even corners are also a dead give away...

Ricky Y

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Perhaps such finds could occur at an Estate Sale. In this case though, it matters not whether an Estate Sale, an Auction or Grandpa's attic. The cards, at least the ones he has provided scans for, are reprints.

Yep, I completely agree that the card in question here is a reprint.

[Bocabirdman]

Crickets!!

[soccersaver97]

Lol. He is perfectly happy insulting Leon and stubbornly arguing that this forum knows nothing, but when it's time to admit fault and apologize he can't do it.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Skrubinski

I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc. I have 100.00 in to the whole box from the estate. The true experts are looking at it now. I've had individuals that own very large stores that deal in these collectables handle this card in person yet this "expert" can tell thru scratched plastic that has all kinds of crap on it can tell hmmm.

"The true experts" makes me laugh. I'd have Leon review my cards for authenticity any day before some of the "experts" you mention with the grading companies. I'll do what you requested initially and that's to give advice on where to sell and value. Answer - eb*y. List as a reprint for .99 bin.

[Bridwell]

Looks like we haven't heard any news today. What did SGC grade the cards?

[ZachS]

Looks like there are a lot of jealous idiots in here that can't afford real cards like the major collectors out there.

Oh yeah... IDIOTS.

[cguidi]

Are these cards from the Krubinski find?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1911-D304-...item2ed54331e6

This thread was an awesome read!

[ullmandds]

Dunno where they are from...but they are not real...and I love it when listings claim they were "graded" by such and such a TPG..."graded" as not real!!!!

[rjackson44]

Barry sloate leon and all the top guys here dont make mistakes,,anyway this is why i dont watch tv ever anymore,,you have net 54 ,,when is leon getting a t.v deal ill watch 24/7 thanks guys you rock octavio