T205 collectors

[EvilKing00]

Just an update on my set. The last year i slowed down on my t205 set but just picked up 7 cards this week, including a baker. Which brings my number to 116.

Would love to know how everyone else is progressing

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[Bliggity]

Steve - good luck moving forward! I started the set in December 2014. Right now I'm at 77 cards, including:

Commons: 51/140 (36%)
Uncommons: 5/16 (31%)
Minor Leaguers: 6/12 (50%)
HOFers: 10/28 (35%)
Short Prints: 2/18 (11%)
Variations: 2/14 (14%)
Total Basic: 77/208 (37%)
Total Master: 77/222 (34%)

I also have 11/17 possible backs. Can you tell I also got organized this year?

[HercDriver]

I completed the basic set many years ago, still raw and in my binder. The last few years, I have been working on a Sovereign-only set. There are 123 cards with Sovereign backs, and I still need 21 of them (plus upgrades, but that's for another day!). It is, and always will be, my favorite set!

Take Care,
Geno

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Steve - good luck moving forward! I started the set in December 2014. Right now I'm at 77 cards, including:

Commons: 51/140 (36%)
Uncommons: 5/16 (31%)
Minor Leaguers: 6/12 (50%)
HOFers: 10/28 (35%)
Short Prints: 2/18 (11%)
Variations: 2/14 (14%)
Total Basic: 77/208 (37%)
Total Master: 77/222 (34%)

I also have 11/17 possible backs. Can you tell I also got organized this year?

hey just an fyi - there are 18 backs :

Piedmont Blue25 –
Polar Bear –
Sweet Caporal Red –
Sweet Caporal Black 25 –
Sweet Caporal Black 42 –
Hassan Green – 649 –
Honest Long Cut –
Sovereign -
Cycle –
Hassan green 30 –
Peidmont Blue 42 –
American Beauty Black –
American Beauty Green –
Broadleaf Black –
Broadleaf Green –
Hindu –
Drum –
Blank -

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

hey just an fyi - there are 18 backs : :eek

Yup, I wasn't counting blank. Still not sure if I consider that necessary for a completed back run.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a good handle on the population of blank-backed T205s - where would the blank back fall on the scarcity list? I assume fewer than Broadleaf, but not sure compared to Drum/Hindu?

ETA - Steve, I take it from your list that Blank is the most rare?

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Yup, I wasn't counting blank. Still not sure if I consider that necessary for a completed back run.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a good handle on the population of blank-backed T205s - where would the blank back fall on the scarcity list? I assume fewer than Broadleaf, but not sure compared to Drum/Hindu?

ETA - Steve, I take it from your list that Blank is the most rare?

From what im told & have seen blank is the most rare. Drum is supposed to be the the next most rare, but in 4 years im collecting t205's i have seen 10-12 durms for sale but only 1 hindu.

Im no expert though, plenty of guys here can debate that, im missing both in my collection still, along with the blank and the black broadleaf.

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

From what im told & have seen blank is the most rare. Drum is supposed to be the the next most rare, but in 4 years im collecting t205's i have seen 10-12 durms for sale but only 1 hindu.

I agree that the Hindu seems to be quite a bit more difficult than Drum, at least in terms of what has come up for sale in the last couple years. There is a Hindu right now at REA, that's the first one I can remember seeing for sale.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Steve - good luck moving forward! I started the set in December 2014. Right now I'm at 77 cards, including:

Commons: 51/140 (36%)
Uncommons: 5/16 (31%)
Minor Leaguers: 6/12 (50%)
HOFers: 10/28 (35%)
Short Prints: 2/18 (11%)
Variations: 2/14 (14%)
Total Basic: 77/208 (37%)
Total Master: 77/222 (34%)

I also have 11/17 possible backs. Can you tell I also got organized this year?

Love all the photos and info everyone!

I admit I'm not up to speed on this set, and figure it never hurts to have more t205 talk, so............
a few questions about the checklist:

who are the 16 uncommons?

and, I'm only counting 25 different HOFers, with 5 more variations. Who are the 28?

and what are considered the 14 variations? on the checklist I'm using I have 23 listed. My set attempt is only geared toward 1 card of each player, and I know some players have more than one pose - I guess those aren't considered variations?

Thanks for the help and happy new year!

My set progress:
25 hofers ( I think I have one pose for each hofer)
9 MLers (counted Jimmy Collins in both ML and HOF) (need 3)
4 SPs (counted Joss and Walsh in both SP and HOF) (need 14)
118 commons (need 28)

Here are all of my raw non hofers:

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by tonyo

Love all the photos and info everyone!

I admit I'm not up to speed on this set, and figure it never hurts to have more t205 talk, so............
a few questions about the checklist:

who are the 16 uncommons?

and, I'm only counting 25 different HOFers, with 5 more variations. Who are the 28?

and what are considered the 14 variations? on the checklist I'm using I have 23 listed. My set attempt is only geared toward 1 card of each player, and I know some players have more than one pose - I guess those aren't considered variations?

Thanks for the help and happy new year!

My set progress:
25 hofers ( I think I have one pose for each hofer)
9 MLers (counted Jimmy Collins in both ML and HOF) (need 3)
4 SPs (counted Joss and Walsh in both SP and HOF) (need 14)
118 commons (need 28)

Here are all of my raw non hofers:

Hey tony heres a good cheklist for you!

http://www.t205.org/filter_set.php

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Hey tony heres a good cheklist for you!

http://www.t205.org/filter_set.php

Good checklist in general but definitely misses the mark when you start talking reverses. For the Cubs alone there are 19 different fronts. If you look at front/ back reverses, there are 152 possible cards. I currently have 128 out of 152 possible cards. Obviously some of the cards are harder than others and some more expensive than others. Still fun to collect

[rdixon1208]

I've been taking a break from collecting for a while, but I just jumped back in with this Joss. I also keep my cards in a binder, but I don't like the 15 mini card pages. It don't feel like I can put them in and take them out of the pages without damaging them a little. So I take a Card Saver II and cut it down to the size of a standard modern card with scissors. Then I put my card in it and use my FoodSaver vacuum sealer to seal the edges of the cardsaver. Then I put then in standard 9 pocket pages. It's a little work but it's the best thing for me. This allows me to take the cards out of the pages if I want to. And if I accidentally drop one it's no big deal. So far I have 48 T205s, so I've got a long way to go. But I do have a Cobb and Joss as well as several other HOFers and SP,s. I don't think I'm going to go for the back variations. I'd be happy with one of every front.

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[rats60]

I am down to 5 cards. I have been trying to do psa/sgc 5 or better, so I will have upgrading to do once I find those. It has been really slow going as I get close.

[Cozumeleno]

Completed my low-grade set last month. All raw and in a binder with the exception of my Joss, Cobb, and WaJo. I started picking up low-grade commons and beaters when I was trying to complete my T206 set last year and just stuck with it.

I have to admit that I wasn't that enamored with the cards in the beginning. It was more of a side project for me. But unlike T206 where you'll get some 'dogs' in terms of the artwork, the artwork in the T205s is incredible throughout the entire set. They are great looking cards - the Mathewson is by far my favorite in any of the ATC sets.

The next task for me has been to start adding some of the errors on top of my basic 208-card set (I have eight so far) and upgrading since my set is mostly low-grade.

[familytoad]

I have a SGC master set going but it has slowed to a crawl.
I have not added any new holes but have upgraded some this year.

I have a few more to send in to get graded...or I will just seek those already graded since the raw ones I have are low grade.

I have primarily mid grade commons (SGC 40/50/60) and low grade stars (SGC10/20). I love the way they look in the black slabs.

I have a really good start on a second set, maybe 35-40% but I don't know if I am serious about doing it again. I probably will since this remains my all-time favorite set and I tend to hoard my favorites

http://www.sgccard.com/usersetcompos...usersetid=3598

I might collect a low grade raw set too, since they look great all together.
With the ~ 260 or so slabbed cards I have in this set, it takes up a lot of space and weight. The raw ones I have are in top loaders and are in a small box, that's appealing in some ways too.

[Wite3]

Completed my first set (minus the hobby no stats) several years ago in low to mid grade. My second front only set is decidedly low grade (wanted complete readable cards but the lowest condition/price I could find). I do have an example of every back advertiser including a couple of blank backs. I hoard this set but it has slowed with the birth of my son last year and some job issues this year....hope to start up again at some point but who knows.

Joshua

[kmac32]

Collecting a T205 Cubs Front/ back variation subset. There are 151 possible
Cards and I have 116 of the various cards. Mine are all SGC graded and love the challenge. Cards are getting harder to find but that happens.

Ken

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

You guys are giving me T205 fever!

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[Eggoman]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

You guys are giving me T205 fever!

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Be careful! Once you have the, fever it can be as consuming as chasing the Monster...AND the T205 set is much more doable...

[EvilKing00]

T205's are highly addicting, each one is a piece of 100 year old baseball art.

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[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Are there any books dedicated to T205s?

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[EvilKing00]

Just one more fun thing aout t205's is the text on the backs which says "400 designs" which is a bit of a mystery as there are only 200 and something cards.

The debate and speculation on if there was supposed to be more that were never printed... why was there so many stars not included?

Or was the designs, part of the bird cards or military set, or both.. which resemble the art work and gold borders.

Ahh the mysterious t205's with 400 designs, 1st cards with stats & bios, beautiful art and fancy gold borders. Like cardboard crack lol

[Leon]

Trying to figure stuff out, concerning the cards themselves, is a lot of fun. In type card collecting pursuits it can be never ending. The fact there are still so many new cards and variations being found, even in the more mainstream pre-war sets, helps keep it fun for everyone. The journey..

Btw, someone should do an official (could there be such thing) revision to the ACC.

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Just one more fun thing aout t205's is the text on the backs which says "400 designs" which is a bit of a mystery as there are only 200 and something cards.

The debate and speculation on if there was supposed to be more that were never printed... why was there so many stars not included?

Or was the designs, part of the bird cards or military set, or both.. which resemble the art work and gold borders.

Ahh the mysterious t205's with 400 designs, 1st cards with stats & bios, beautiful art and fancy gold borders. Like cardboard crack lol

[albrshbr]

I'm about 60% there, but really haven't added much in 2 years. Only picked up 1 card this year and it is a duplicate.

My son has gotten into cards and I'm spending my money there right now.

[Gradedcardman]

2 of my favorites

[iowadoc77]

Adam- very cool cards! Especially the Huggins.
That is the first T205 blank back I have seen

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

2 of my favorites

Wow those r great!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

2 of my favorites

Awesome cards....I have really been liking the PB backs lately as their front gold borders can be a neat shade of gold....

[nat]

Picked up my first T205 the other day. What a beautiful set, and they look magnificent in hand. I'm on a pretty tight baseball card budget, so unfortunately it'll only be poor condition cards for me. This one was an impulse buy: the auction was about to close, and I couldn't pass up a Mordecai Brown. I got it for twenty bucks (including shipping), which would be phenomenal for even a poor condition T206 HOFer. Are the T205s that much less popular, or is $20 an ordinary price for a low-grade HOFer?

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by nat

Picked up my first T205 the other day. What a beautiful set, and they look magnificent in hand. I'm on a pretty tight baseball card budget, so unfortunately it'll only be poor condition cards for me. This one was an impulse buy: the auction was about to close, and I couldn't pass up a Mordecai Brown. I got it for twenty bucks (including shipping), which would be phenomenal for even a poor condition T206 HOFer. Are the T205s that much less popular, or is $20 an ordinary price for a low-grade HOFer?

Post a scan, depends what is looks like.... also congrats on your 1st t205! Its a great set, GL

[tedzan]

I put together a 209-card (including Hoblitzell-No Stats) set 20 years ago. A few years later I sold it, but I kept the 12 - Minor Leaguers.


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[tedzan]

Nowadays, I enjoy the challenge of putting together sub-sets of T205's. For example my A-B-C-D pattern......







More precisely, this John Lobert A-B-C-D connection (still searching for the DRUM). There are exactly 32 subjects printed with this A-B-C-D pattern.

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Or, looking for GREEN bordered T205's......





Or, misprints (mis-cuts)......

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TED Z
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[Gradedcardman]

Took me a few years to appreciate the T-205's but I do enjoy them and collecting some oddities.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

I really like this set. I think 2017 will see me buying some T205 HOFers and some E95/96s.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

I really like this set. I think 2017 will see me buying some T205 HOFers and some E95/96s.

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It is a hot market for low grade but great looking T205s. Maybe that could be said elsewhere too but this is my most recent experience.

[GasHouseGang]

I try to buy the best looking "low grade" cards I can find, to stay in budget. Here are a few examples...

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

I try to buy the best looking "low grade" cards I can find, to stay in budget. Here are a few examples...

Nothing wrong with those! That's the kind of stuff I envision for my collection in 2017.

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[pherbener]

I thought I should post this here. I just picked up this Bergen for my Piedmont Factory 42 set. I realized it wasn't on the spreadsheet from T205.org as a confirmed Factory 42 back.
T205 Piedmont 42 Bergen by Paul Herbener, on Flickr

T205 Piedmont 42 Bergen by Paul Herbener, on Flickr

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

I try to buy the best looking "low grade" cards I can find, to stay in budget. Here are a few examples...

Great looking Cobb. That is almost exactly what kind I am looking for. I couldn't agree more on your strategy.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Leon

Great looking Cobb. That is almost exactly what kind I am looking for. I couldn't agree more on your strategy.

Thanks Leon. I was lucky enough to find that Cobb on eBay awhile ago for a reasonable price.

[asoriano]

Richard Carleton Hoblitzell
1888-1962
Distinguished 11 year Major League Career
Played on 3 World Championship Teams

One of the toughest variations to complete in the T205 Master Set.

Posting the four Hoblitzell variations for the enjoyment of T205 collectors
with my recent addition of the “No Stats”.

1. Easy to find “Cin.” After 2nd 1908 in Stats
2. Hard to find Name Incorrect, No “Cin”
3. Harder to find Correct, No “Cin”
4. Insanely difficult to find No Stats on Back

[ullmandds]

great hobby! Congrats!

[nebboy]

That Hoblitzell no stat is jaw dropping!!!!!!!

[orioles70]

Does a list exist of T205 cards and their availability in the 11 different tobacco brand backs? Does any T205 exist with all 11 brands?

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[orioles70]

Would love to acquire an autographed American League T205...are there any available?

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[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by orioles70

Would love to acquire an autographed American League T205...are there any available?

Not available, but happy to display. I almost have the signed T205 White Sox team set!

[orioles70]

They are awesome autographed T205's

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[orioles70]

Does anybody have any idea how many T205 hall of famers have been found with a Hindu or Drum back?

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[gonzo]

Drum - Mordecai Brown
Hindu - Walter Johnson

Taken from Ted Z.’s detailed thread on T205 backs, where he also predicts that Miller Huggins and Zach Wheat Drums may someday be found.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=197200

A couple of notable non-HOFers exist as well - Chase Drum and Cicotte Hindu.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Drum - Mordecai Brown
Hindu - Walter Johnson

Taken from Ted Z.’s detailed thread on T205 backs, where he also predicts that Miller Huggins and Zach Wheat Drums may someday be found.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=197200

A couple of notable non-HOFers exist as well - Chase Drum and Cicotte Hindu.

I wrote the T205 backs theory and list years before Ted Z wrote that thread. Might be a thread by pup6913. Also no 205’s can be found with all backs. Also several years ago a bunch of us t205 guys got together and made a complete list with all known backs and I believe it’s T205resource.com. I am not sure of the boardmember is still keeping up on that or not.

[albrshbr]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I wrote the T205 backs theory and list years before Ted Z wrote that thread. Might be a thread by pup6913. Also no 205’s can be found with all backs. Also several years ago a bunch of us t205 guys got together and made a complete list with all known backs and I believe it’s T205resource.com. I am not sure of the boardmember is still keeping up on that or not.

Andrew, I haven't been able to find the T205 list for a while now. I also had a list (Excel?) and I seem to have lost that some time ago.